254. South Africa - Pre-Union
255. Kyrgyzstan
256. Zaire
257. South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands -- actually, had this one for a while, but forgot to enter on Numista
The first real addition since the reorganisation to issuers is a 1/2 Batzen dated 1789 from the Princedom of Neuchâtel, currently one of Switzerland's cantons.
Neuchâtel was a state of the Holy Roman Empire with a French-speaking population. As it became Protestant during the Reformation the citizens wished to remain outside France. In 1707 the princely title was passed to the Kings of Prussia. Apart from the Napoleonic era it remained under the Prussian crown until 1848, when a republic was declared and Neuchâtel joined the Swiss Confederation.
The currency system was:
Thaler = 21 Batzen
Batzen = 4 Kreuzer
I'm up to 266 issuers now, adding Lübeck (Free Hanseatic city of) and Mecklenburg-Schwerin (Grand duchy of). These were both new coins. Down to 198 countries.
26 countries of which I own only 1 and I'm thinking of selling those British Virgin Islands coins off because they are not and never have been real money.
I must have missed 301-308 somewhere in the reorganizations (didn't really keep track of them, so not sure which issuers they were exactly).
Still at 231 "countries" - probably will be stuck there for a while!
Nothing really obvious that I could get (I've been actively looking for Korea, Gabon, China (ancient), India (ancient), Crusader states, and a few others, but wasn't able to find anything within my budget yet).
...and sorry - I've been looking for a Portuguese India coin for about a year now; I wasn't going to let the reorganization stop me!
Besides, it's still a 2nd level country, which is the closest to an old-style Numista "country".
Something became #272 from the reorganization, but I'm not sure what it was! (Figured it out - it was Oldenburg, Grand duchy of.)
#273 and #274 are Mexico - Revolutionary, Chihuahua and Oaxaca : three new coins I picked up from a binder of foreign coins on sale at the coin shop. This included a 5 centavo coin from Chihuahua, which a handwritten note that reads "Made from copper from telegraph wires off hacienda of Don Luis Terrazas." Is that true? Interesting story!
I've been looking for coins from this country since... not sure exactly, but likely sometime last year. Then I randomly happen to see one in a $2 tray during a 15-minute coin shop visit.
(The Gabon side was pointing down, which is probably why nobody else bought it earlier. But I was desperate enough to check anyway - and got lucky.)
I missed the issuers 311 and 312; most likely candidates are Saxony and Gwalior, in uncertain order.
(Solms-Lich will probably show up soon-ish as well, raising my number further.)
With the addition of Gabon (today) and India - Portuguese (a few weeks ago), I'm only missing 5 spots from the now soundly obsolete "common countries" list of the old 300 club; they are German East Africa, Greenland, New Hebrides, Sarawak, and Turks and Caicos Islands.
With the possible exception of the last one, none of those are anywhere near cheap or easy to get (and the last one is the kind of crazy NCLT that I personally somewhat dislike). I do not expect getting any of those by the end of the year.
(My most likely next actual country addition is probably either India - ancient or China - ancient... though there are several less likely semi-plausible choices as well!)
Quote: "January First-of-May"Turks and Caicos Islands.
With the possible exception of the last one, none of those are anywhere near cheap or easy to get (and the last one is the kind of crazy NCLT that I personally somewhat dislike).
My understanding is that although Turks & Caicos use the US dollar as their currency, they do mint 1/4 crowns (equal to 25 cents), 1/2 crowns (equal to 50 cents), and crowns (equal to $1) that do circulate along with US banknotes. I'll be vacationing there in February, so I guess I will find out then what the situation is, and if the coins are in actual circulation I'll bring back a bunch for my swap list.
A nice little swap brought me a coin from Western Sahara, which is country #200 and issuer #279 for me, and also fills the last gray area on the Numista map, other than a few islands. (I still need coins from Greenland and Mongolia, which until recently were gray.)
There were some more German (and possible Indian) states of mine that pushed me up from 266 to 270, but I forget which ones those were. But recently, I added the Delhi Sultanate as issuer number 271, and today:
276. Bohemia and Moravia.
277. German East Africa.
278. Habbari Dynasty (Indian State).
279. Mewar - Princely State (Indian State).
280. Rhodesia and Nyasaland.
281. South Sudan.
282. Tatarstan.
283. Tristan da Cunha.
314. Solms-Lich, County of
315. Wied-Neuwied, County of
315 again: Würzburg, Bishopric of (at the expense of German States)
- I have no idea what number 316 was (probably something I entered in October and forgot).
Actual recent purchases:
317. Turks and Caicos Islands [also country #233]
318. Sarawak
319. Württemberg, Duchy of
If you were wondering, the coin from Turks and Caicos Islands was a circulated-looking 1/4 crown; I paid about $5 for it.
Ironically, I also found relatively inexpensive (around $8 each) coins from New Hebrides and German East Africa, but did not buy them as I was running out of money.
Crimea might perhaps be added to the list eventually (presumably as country #234); I successfully bought and identified the coin, but (due to a confusion over Shahin Giray coin denominations) I was unable to attribute it to any KM number, and thus to any Numista entry.
Additions since September:
260. Congo Free State
261. Indian Princely States - Mewar
262. German states - Hamburg, Free Hanseatic City
263. German states - Frankfurt, Free Imperial City
Issuer #284 is Turks & Caicos Islands with the circulating 1/4 and 1/2 crowns from 1981 (probably the only TCI coins that actually circulated), purchased from the gift shop in the Providenciales airport.
In the olden pre-reform days, the Spitsbergen token would have given me a new country. Not so any more; I'm still at 233.
(Best I can tell, it would have been my 298th country under the old rules. It's unfortunate that I will never enter the 300 club now...)
Paid 300 rubles (~$5) for the token, and 30 rubles (~55 cents) for the Papal States coin - admittedly, it was extremely damaged (I was only able to enter it due to the lucky accident of the type having been made two separate dates; the main non-regnal date was completely gone).
Quote: "January First-of-May"Anyone knows which country was folded? I'm now at 232 countries (was 233), but still at 321 issuers (as before).
Do you have a coin from the Spanish Netherlands? If I recall correctly, that place used to be a country, but is now an issuer under the Netherlands. I am not sure when that place was moved, but that is the only new thing I can find in the country list. Well, that and the two other newer issuers under the Netherlands.
I have not done this in long time as I am changing the way I collect coins... but this weekend I had purchased coins and this two issuers are now in my collection
Quote: "January First-of-May"Anyone knows which country was folded? I'm now at 232 countries (was 233), but still at 321 issuers (as before).
Do you have a coin from the Spanish Netherlands? If I recall correctly, that place used to be a country, but is now an issuer under the Netherlands. I am not sure when that place was moved, but that is the only new thing I can find in the country list. Well, that and the two other newer issuers under the Netherlands.
Yes, I do - thanks for the explanation!
That whole update kind of broke the 300 club, and with it much of the motivation for my collection (most of what's left is basically an accumulation drive).
Seriously considering petitioning for the 300 club the moment I have 300 of what used to be countries (currently at 298, I think).
Quote: "January First-of-May"That whole update kind of broke the 300 club, and with it much of the motivation for my collection (most of what's left is basically an accumulation drive).
Seriously considering petitioning for the 300 club the moment I have 300 of what used to be countries (currently at 298, I think).
Maybe the old "300 countries club" should be replaced by a new "250 country club" (or whatever is equivalent to 300 of the old).
Also, Numista seems the ideal forum for something like the "Yacko's World Coins" thread, except based on the Numista countries rather than Yacko's obsolete list.
Quote: "January First-of-May"That whole update kind of broke the 300 club, and with it much of the motivation for my collection (most of what's left is basically an accumulation drive).
Seriously considering petitioning for the 300 club the moment I have 300 of what used to be countries (currently at 298, I think).
Maybe the old "300 countries club" should be replaced by a new "250 country club" (or whatever is equivalent to 300 of the old).
Also, Numista seems the ideal forum for something like the "Yacko's World Coins" thread, except based on the Numista countries rather than Yacko's obsolete list.
250 country club is a good idea. In fact, my target now is 250 countries / 500 issuers.
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Maybe the old "300 countries club" should be replaced by a new "250 country club" (or whatever is equivalent to 300 of the old).
It would be interesting to know what the exact equivalent is. The conversion formula should be something like "current total number of issuers - (Italian states + German states + Indian states + France, feudal + Argentine provinces...)". Complex but soluble in principle.
Quote: "numinis"It would be interesting to know what the exact equivalent is. The conversion formula should be something like "current total number of issuers - (Italian states + German states + Indian states + France, feudal + Argentine provinces...)". Complex but soluble in principle.
One way to calculate this is to look at what percentage of the Numista countries it took to qualify when the 300 countries club was active. I don't know when the 300 countries club first started, but there were about 390 countries in the catalog in the spring of 2015, so it took about 77% of the 390 countries to qualify at that time.
With 293 countries right now, 225 countries would be the same percentage. Of course 225 countries is easier than 300, so you might want to add some to the requirement.
Quote: "January First-of-May"That whole update kind of broke the 300 club, and with it much of the motivation for my collection (most of what's left is basically an accumulation drive).
Seriously considering petitioning for the 300 club the moment I have 300 of what used to be countries (currently at 298, I think).
Maybe the old "300 countries club" should be replaced by a new "250 country club" (or whatever is equivalent to 300 of the old).
Also, Numista seems the ideal forum for something like the "Yacko's World Coins" thread, except based on the Numista countries rather than Yacko's obsolete list.
I had 293 countries just before the reorganization and, I think, 231 just after it (I'll have to look through my old posts), so if we assume that my experience is typical, the equivalent should be in the mid to high 230s. I think 240 might work - it's a bit higher than needed, but this represents that the 300 club was harder in its early days, and at least it's a round number.
Of course, I'm currently at 232 countries (Gabon and Turks & Caicos were added, and Spanish Netherlands organized away), despite acquiring lots of new issuers since (including several that used to be countries, such as New Hebrides and Spitzbergen), so me reaching 240 anytime soon is unlikely; in fact, most of the countries I'm missing are very rare.
Actually, let's check which new ones I'm any likely to acquire this year... actively looking for British Antarctic Territory, Cilician Armenia, China (ancient), and a few others less specifically. I already have coins from Crimea, India (ancient), and Phoenician cities, but don't have the precise attribution (in the first two cases, I even know they're already listed, I just don't know which listing is mine). Marshall Islands, Celts, Korea, and some of the micronations (and British Antarctic Territory) are a case of being lucky enough to find an affordable example (arguably so is Qatar and Dubai); a few others (e.g. German East Africa) are a case of "just suck up and pay the money" (usually in the $10-50 range).
This means that, in principle, I might actually manage to reach 240 before the end of the year, but, just like I said, it is extremely unlikely.
As for the Yakko's World thread... I think the silly mistakes are part of the fun. A lot of the time, the countries he names had also made coins, despite not actually being modern countries (Greenland, French Guiana, Tibet, Dahomey, Crete...); and it's not like the only missing places are because the list is obsolete - it's missing South Africa as well, for one.
This whole silliness was really the main reason why I posted that thread on April 1st. The upcoming 25th anniversary was secondary (and didn't even fit the dates that well, so I had to pad the list slightly).
But yes, we did, in fact, already have a similar thread on Numista; sadly it had stalled upon reaching Somalia in November 2016.
Yet another similar one, now with proper "Days Of" rules, is going on at the Banknotes forum right now; I'm not sure where does the country list from that one come from, though (it's clearly not Numista).
I have no problems with someone making a proper thread of this kind with the actual Numista countries list, however. I'd probably even participate in it occasionally.
But yes, we did, in fact, already have a similar thread on Numista; sadly it had stalled upon reaching Somalia in November 2016.
Yet another similar one, now with proper "Days Of" rules, is going on at the Banknotes forum right now; I'm not sure where does the country list from that one come from, though (it's clearly not Numista).
I have no problems with someone making a proper thread of this kind with the actual Numista countries list, however. I'd probably even participate in it occasionally.
Wow, I don't even remember we had a country per day thread like the one for banknotes on here!
Why did it stall at Somalia? The next country is a very common one (South Africa), and even if it was a rare country before the reorganisation people on that thread seem to be impartial to skipping ahead/posting late every so often anyway.
I honestly want someone to go and start a new thread like that based off the newly reorganised Numista country list although the German states would take ages...
But yes, we did, in fact, already have a similar thread on Numista; sadly it had stalled upon reaching Somalia in November 2016.
Yet another similar one, now with proper "Days Of" rules, is going on at the Banknotes forum right now; I'm not sure where does the country list from that one come from, though (it's clearly not Numista).
I have no problems with someone making a proper thread of this kind with the actual Numista countries list, however. I'd probably even participate in it occasionally.
Wow, I don't even remember we had a country per day thread like the one for banknotes on here!
Why did it stall at Somalia? The next country is a very common one (South Africa), and even if it was a rare country before the reorganisation people on that thread seem to be impartial to skipping ahead/posting late every so often anyway.
I honestly want someone to go and start a new thread like that based off the newly reorganised Numista country list although the German states would take ages...
That might have been because it was not a "per day" but an "in order", like the How Far Back Can We Go thread, except with skipping allowed if enough time had passed.
The next country would probably have been Somaliland at the time; not especially common, but not rare either. I think it mostly stalled because people stopped paying attention to it.
As for the new thread - there are several ways it could go...
- One country per day. Afghanistan, Albania, Alderney... maybe Abkhazia and/or Aksum somewhere in there, depending on how it's structured.
This is how I envisioned it myself, and probably the best way to actually do it, but this would mean that there'd just be one day for German states and German Empire and German Notgeld and German Democratic Republic and whatever else shows up in Germany, which might be a bit too much to squeeze in one day.
- One issuer per day, in alphabetical order, the way they would show up in a search (or on the full Numista coin list). Aachen, Aargau, Abbasid Caliphate, Abkhazia... we'd have long stretches of nobody really having anything (and the occasional short stretches of literally nobody having anything - many issuers only have coins with a 100 rarity rating listed), but every so often we'd hit a common one.
We would probably need to figure out what to do with new issuers that show up while the list is being run - do we insert them in the appropriate place (if we hadn't passed it yet), add them all in a bunch at the end, or just ignore them? (If we add them, would that be in alphabetical or chronological order?) After all, 1303 issuers, starting tomorrow (May 12th, 2018, for the sake of the argument), would take us up to early December 2021, and doubtlessly dozens or even hundreds of new issuers will be found and listed within that period (in particular, we still haven't really even started to reorganize the ancients).
- One issuer per day, in alphabetical order of countries - the way they are listed in the main country list. This would start the same as (one version of) the country list - Afghanistan, Albania, Alderney... but day 11 will not be Armenia, but Buenos Aires.
This is probably what you're thinking of when you say "the German states would take ages". And they indeed would; much of the second year of the run will be devoted to German states. OTOH, as we walk down the first few letters, we'd probably have several months (or at least weeks) to calmly consider what to do with new issuers showing up in areas that we have passed already before we actually encounter any.
There are probably both pluses and minuses of this version compared to the one just above (and vice versa); I suspect that the plain country-based version is almost certainly much better than either, however.
(But whichever way you go, please, ignore the ludicrous piece of ludicrousness that is Isles de France and Bonaparte. It's a weird holdover from the earliest days of Numista that barely made any sense back then either. I have no idea why it still hadn't yet been downgraded to an issuer.)
Good points; I think if we do start a new thread about this then maybe for German states we could do a bunch of alphabet letters in a day (e.g. all A-E, in a day, then F-H, the next, and so on.)
Finally a new issuer! I received 100 francs from Chad in a swap, issuer #285. I also have a Togo coin from a bulk lot () but I'll wait until I actually put it into my collection to count it here.
The 20th century ones were struck in Philadelphia on .900 silver US dime planchets.
The 1897 is more interesting - the dies were cut in Paris, and sent to Philadelphia,
where the coins were struck on .350 silver alloy planchets.
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
My goal is not too have many issuers but yesterday I got two more issuers from the Belgium current territory :
- County of Hainaut
- Imperial Abbey of Stavelot-Malmedy
I'm happy because Hainaut is my province and the abbbey of Stavelot is a nice place I went to several times.
#249 : ??????
#250 : Duchy of Livonia (Livonia)
#251 : Kingdom of Naples (Italian states)
#252 : Bishoprics of Valence and Die (France - Feudal)
#253 : Archbishopric of Vienne (France Feudal)
#254 : County of Tripoli (Crusader states - Country #163)
#255 : Ayyubid Sultanate (Islamic states)
Almost done with the occidental coins I got this month ! I'm gonna do a little pause after that.
I thought my 2 Lire from Italian Eritrea would get me a new country but turns out I already had a 1918 Tallero from there, turns out it was Italian Somalia that I need to get a coin from... nevertheless today I got 3 new issuers added:
It's interesting to see how much the difference in your amount of countries and issuers is, usually those who collect old, smaller countries (German, Italian states, IPS, etc.) will have a larger difference between the two.
(Figured it out - it was Oldenburg, Grand duchy of.)
) but I'll wait until I actually put it into my collection to count it here. 
