What's new on May ?
Eug is once again getting the leading edge with an ancient Hispania coin
Well ... not a spring chicken
Erdvilla is still on the throne and addrr is progressing at the speed of light
BREAKING NEWS: Persianate states disappeared after a merge to Islamic states.
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I'm hesitating about how to treat semi-autonomous coinage of Obulco... Seems part of the Roman Hispania as well, so maybe moved to Roman Provinces, as well as the Phoenician coin?
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Quote: "addrr"I've lost one country, and I don't know why ...
Didn't you notice this?
Quote: "chomp-master"BREAKING NEWS: Persianate states disappeared after a merge to Islamic states.
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Quote: "addrr"I've lost one country, and I don't know why ...
Didn't you notice this?
Quote: "chomp-master"BREAKING NEWS: Persianate states disappeared after a merge to Islamic states.
Weird, I don't understand why things are don't they way they are. Some of my Persianate states coins were clearly not Islamic coins. Now Central Asia is back and it seems that a lot of the non-Islamic coins are now in there. Except my Emirate of Bukhara coins are now in there, and it seems like they should coin in Islamic states. Who knows? This is one of the things that keeps me burnt out on numista.
Quote: "geraltttt82"
358. French Cochinchina
359. Madeira Islands
360. Hispania (ancient)
361. Phoenician cities
unfortunately 360 and 361 in a agonal condition
As there is a RPC reference for your Emporia coin, I'm hesitating between keeping in Hispania and moving to Roman Provinces.
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Wait. I already validated the Hispania one. I was only thinking about its real affectation in Hispania or Roman provinces.
However concerning Phoenicia, its worn state makes it unclear to really ID. For sur it is Phoenician, but its variety remains really unclear unless you are able to see anything in your own.
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Keep the Hispanian coin, if I validated the file that's because I identified it clearly, my only reserves is concerning the country attribution in this one as potentially Provincial instead. This remark may concern also the latest Hispanian coinage as well (1st century BC is critical, unlike 2nd century).
Concerning Phoenician one, unfortunately it's better to use the UnID file.
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I've finally decided to change my Phoenicia managing and to consider the coin whose file was published valid. I may only change the pics to make it easier to ID.
In particular, Geralttt's coin variations are mainly due to minting years are the remaining lettering was in Greek. Some incoming example will show more difficult issues as in Phoenician lettering.
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What's new in June?
A country disappeared, Persianates states, De Profondis.
We welcomed a new member !
Total : 21 members, 403 countries : 7 with no collector, 149 with at least one collector, 247 in common.
And the orange jersey of the strongest growth is for jelle (+6 countries!)
You're right, it's brand new
wiki : In July 2016 a new Belarusian ruble was introduced, at a rate of 1 new ruble = 10,000 old rubles. New and old rubles will circulate in parallel from July 1 to December 31, 2016. Belarus also issued coins for general circulation for the first time. Seven denominations of banknotes (5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200 and 500 rubles) and eight denominations of coins (1, 2, 5, 10, 20 and 50 copecks, and 1 and 2 rubles) are in circulation on July 1, 2016.[5][6] The banknotes have security threads and show 2009 as an issue date (the date of an unsuccessful attempt at currency reform). Their designs are similar to those of the euro.
Quote: "Frenchlover"You're right, it's brand new
wiki : In July 2016 a new Belarusian ruble was introduced, at a rate of 1 new ruble = 10,000 old rubles. New and old rubles will circulate in parallel from July 1 to December 31, 2016. Belarus also issued coins for general circulation for the first time. Seven denominations of banknotes (5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200 and 500 rubles) and eight denominations of coins (1, 2, 5, 10, 20 and 50 copecks, and 1 and 2 rubles) are in circulation on July 1, 2016.[5][6] The banknotes have security threads and show 2009 as an issue date (the date of an unsuccessful attempt at currency reform). Their designs are similar to those of the euro.
Quote: "Eerovisser"Have 246 countries right now:
3 countries of the green section
4 countries of the blue section
7 countries of the purple section
232 countries of the common section
if anybody has any of the other countries for swap I am always interested in getting closer to the 300 countries.
191 right now (plus about two dozen more I have but hadn't entered yet, or can't enter because the date is worn away).
178 in common (white) section
5 in purple section
6 in blue section
1 in green section (Austrian states)
1 in yellow section (South Sudan)
I hope to be able to complete the common section eventually - but there are some really tough countries in there (British Honduras, Chad, Danzig, Gabon, Greenland, Indian states, New Hebrides).
Quote: "January First-of-May"191 right now ...
I hope to be able to complete the common section eventually - but there are some really tough countries in there (British Honduras, Chad, Danzig, Gabon, Greenland, Indian states, New Hebrides).
For french speaking countries, lets try the name in french Tchad (Chad); Nouvelles Hébrides (new Hebrides),
it's less expensive And if you need a postal address relay in France (if they don't send abroad) don't hesitate, I'll be there for U
I have over 330 different countries,
then to find a better "countries expert",
you can ride a while!
That's what I thought ...
Last week I acquired a coin from one of my missing countries.
And then, after a bit of analysis, I realized that it was unfortunately not from this so coveted country.
I wanted to tell you that I'm expecting to prepare some talks about Antique countries which may lead to some country deletion or creation, and some coin moves from one country to another one. So be aware of any change in Antiques.
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Besides some expected changes in Antique countries (see post above), I have heard some inside rumors you know... that you might need renaming in the future.
Hint: Saxony and Bavaria = 2 countries.
Golden Horde and Ilkhanate = 2 countries
Milan and Venice = 2 countries
....
Quote: "chomp-master"I wanted to tell you that I'm expecting to prepare some talks about Antique countries which may lead to some country deletion or creation, and some coin moves from one country to another one. So be aware of any change in Antiques.
You know there may be members who spent their hard earned money to acquire a coin from a particular antique country. You can add all the countries you want but when a few of you get together and decide to start deleting countries, well I don't think that is the right approach.
Does anyone besides myself agree that changes like this should be decided by the membership? At the very least any deletion or addition of countries should be discussed on the forum.
I won't say there would have tons of new countries, but I would rather say some countries to be split in other existing countries, or only moved. The biggest issue concerns Phoenicia (as no coin from Phoenicia was minted under independant Phoenicia but under Persian, Greek or Roman rule), but some changes may occur that way, like for Egypt (so few coins listed as Egyptian because only minted in late Egypt era, most Egyptian coins were minted as Ptolemaic and Roman eras) or Celts (unification of all Celts or territorial variations kept).
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Just reached 300 countries without the b.s. American colonies and other token issues. Nice to be able to do it with genuine nations instead of some of the rubbish produced
Just have to hope the referees do not interfer with nation list to much
Next mission. 500 silvers and 100 China empire. This is proving difficult. A lot of fakes out there and than completing. ID is a mission plus several missing out of numista catalog@
special thanks to bbybugs (gordon) for all the help he has given me
QuoteJarcekIf we do, you would end up with 301 now, having Bavaria and Brandenburg.
I was only joking but thanks for that---my trouble is I have all my 300 plus counties in one album (one from each nation) and everytime it gets altered there is big job sorting (i did not leave enough spaces) haha
Another listing has also been authorized: United States - Territorial. However there is still no coin in this future listing.
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Quote: "chomp-master"I wanted to tell you that I'm expecting to prepare some talks about Antique countries which may lead to some country deletion or creation, and some coin moves from one country to another one. So be aware of any change in Antiques.
You know there may be members who spent their hard earned money to acquire a coin from a particular antique country. You can add all the countries you want but when a few of you get together and decide to start deleting countries, well I don't think that is the right approach.
Does anyone besides myself agree that changes like this should be decided by the membership? At the very least any deletion or addition of countries should be discussed on the forum.
100%.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
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Indeed. I don't play this game but i still agree that this lobbying between admin needs to become more widespread on the public forum. There are a lot of respectable members who don't post here that will be affected too which is sh()ty for them, i don't like the way were being drip-fed info about plans without being in on said plans.
Quote: "chomp-master"Another listing has also been authorized: United States - Territorial. However there is still no coin in this future listing.
yes so they can put all the fantasy islands coins in there- palau, marshall islands, nthn marianna, guam ,american samoa ,maybe even produce some for Gilligans island -what a mickey mouse outfit
Quote: "Mark240590"Indeed. I don't play this game but i still agree that this lobbying between admin needs to become more widespread on the public forum. There are a lot of respectable members who don't post here that will be affected too which is shitty for them, i don't like the way were being drip-fed info about plans without being in on said plans.
No, US Territorials will contain some specific coins like Steve27 suggested, mainly precious medal coins made by private mints but widely accepted.
Concerning The antique reform, it's the consequence of requests from simoneo, who wanted to partly dismantle Phoenician cities merging Shekel coins with Persia because Persia ruled over Phoenicians. Following that logic, Phoenician cities would disappear as other coins were minted under Greek rule. We'll have to fix this to avoid such crazy moves.
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Quote: "chomp-master"No, US Territorials will contain some specific coins like Steve27 suggested, mainly precious medal coins made by private mints but widely accepted.
Concerning The antique reform, it's the consequence of requests from simoneo, who wanted to partly dismantle Phoenician cities merging Shekel coins with Persia because Persia ruled over Phoenicians. Following that logic, Phoenician cities would disappear as other coins were minted under Greek rule. We'll have to fix this to avoid such crazy moves.
why do referees not supply a alteration information blog- that can be reviewed by all interested members, who can vote yeh or neh and if there is over 50% consent, make the changes---if less than that leave it alone, instead of acting on one persons requests as stated above
Quote: "chomp-master"No, US Territorials will contain some specific coins like Steve27 suggested, mainly precious medal coins made by private mints but widely accepted.
Concerning The antique reform, it's the consequence of requests from simoneo, who wanted to partly dismantle Phoenician cities merging Shekel coins with Persia because Persia ruled over Phoenicians. Following that logic, Phoenician cities would disappear as other coins were minted under Greek rule. We'll have to fix this to avoid such crazy moves.
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Age is not important- the point of being a coin- a " notgeld" type token used in a localised municipal enviroment
or a bullion investment fantasy token not designed for circulation is
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces86039.html
For me this one is able to be listed in coins, as well as tokens currently listed in UK or Canadian Provinces. The only difference is this one is made of gold. Here are additional data from Heritage Auctions inside the creation request:
Quote: "Heritage Auctions"(1837-42) C. Bechtler Five, AU Details
Rare K-23 Variant
(1837-42) $5 C. Bechtler Five Dollar, RUTHERF. -- Obverse Planchet Flaw -- NCS. AU Details. K-23, R.5. GEORGIA GOLD obverse, RUTHERF reverse. The K-23 Bechtler five is a rare variety in all grades and conditions. This impressive specimen shows little actual wear, but a bisecting planchet flaw on the obverse (as struck) prevents the coin from receiving a grade. The orange-gold surfaces are lightly abraded and retain traces of original mint luster. A rim bruise is evident at 11 o'clock on the obverse. Listed on page 382 of the 2016 Guide Book.
(NGC ID# 2B9W, PCGS# 10109)
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It's not a democracy guys. The referee for any country should ideally have the final say rather than a ballot which might be unduly influenced by people wanting to make the 300 club or voting against a proposal because they don't like the person making it. People are silly buggers.
In most cases I would be in favor of the referees making the decision on numismatic grounds and an administrator reviewing it in terms of catalog integrity. To be clear here, I'm talking about referees who have an in depth knowledge of the countries they manage, not the Eitan Weinsteiner type of kiddies.
What I'm most decidedly not in favour of is the elitism and secrecy of recent memory where widespread and often ill thought out changes were made without any consultation. It's unrealistic to expect every minor change to be discussed at length in the public forum. Such a move would paralyze the legitimate improvement programs which everyone ought to be supporting. But there is nothing remotely positive about allowing an unsupervised child to unilaterally decide to "improve" all the non Latin denominations by replacing commonly used translations with gibberish. (I notice he bailed out when it became time to fix his acts of vandalism, leaving it to others to repair)
This is the kind of thing which undermines the confidence of the wider membership in the judgement and ability of the admin team. No changes of this magnitude should ever be made without widespread discussion leading to a broad consensus.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Please also note that Steve27 is referee of all mainland US coins (US main listing and US Pre-Federal listing) and we stated that US Territorial listing would remain in his area of refereeing as treating only mainland territorial coinage, making him referee when the new listing will be launched.
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Quote: "pnightingale"It's not a democracy guys. The referee for any country should ideally have the final say rather than a ballot which might be unduly influenced by people wanting to make the 300 club or voting against a proposal because they don't like the person making it. People are silly buggers.
In most cases I would be in favor of the referees making the decision on numismatic grounds and an administrator reviewing it in terms of catalog integrity. To be clear here, I'm talking about referees who have an in depth knowledge of the countries they manage, not the Eitan Weinsteiner type of kiddies.
What I'm most decidedly not in favour of is the elitism and secrecy of recent memory where widespread and often ill thought out changes were made without any consultation. It's unrealistic to expect every minor change to be discussed at length in the public forum. Such a move would paralyze the legitimate improvement programs which everyone ought to be supporting. But there is nothing remotely positive about allowing an unsupervised child to unilaterally decide to "improve" all the non Latin denominations by replacing commonly used translations with gibberish. (I notice he bailed out when it became time to fix his acts of vandalism, leaving it to others to repair)
This is the kind of thing which undermines the confidence of the wider membership in the judgement and ability of the admin team. No changes of this magnitude should ever be made without widespread discussion leading to a broad consensus.
Brilliant-- but i was only discussing major changes (splitting/removal) of countries) etc- not all the trivial catalog queries ( minor changes) that you mention
Imagine for a while, that there would be US listing - which would than have several clickable sublistings aka. subcountries - normal coinage, territorrial, and confederate.
That is what we are ultimately aiming for. Just for a while, we have no other option, than create country outside of this proposed, planned and being created environment.
PS: If I wanted to be crazy prick, I would have added all Bohemian and Silesian actual duchies as separate countries, instead of keeping them in Bohemia. That would be about 15 new countries in one day....
It is just one new country, that will be incorporated under US in the new system, once it is launched.
I put my views of this just in a catalog post. And this is were we should be talking about this. They are private issued coins To make up the need for coins. They are not territorial coins. It should be a sub under the US
yours daryl
Lets brake up US Pre-Federal into 13 new country's Oh boy that will be 13 more country's
God thinking like this we will end up with a country listing for Ralph Heaton and Son, Birmingham.
I was so close that that this afternoon I went for a bit of a shopping spree on eBay and finally got my 300 Countries.
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Thank you I wouldn't have been able to do it in such a short time if it weren't for the great members that have helped me out these past couple years since I started collecting.
Great job Matt. One day I hope to get there too. I am at 250 countries right now. But I am trying to reorganize my collection first. I decided to completely start over with my swap list and after that. Transfer all my coins from binders to 2x2 holders. But I can't resist swapping
According to my team mate, all Notgelds moved from the 1871-1948 listing to the Notgeld listing. And some ones were promoted from Tokens.
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