Add £0.00 as a normal value

Hi,

This is something that I've been thinking about for a while and going through the forum posts I haven't seen this suggestion. Within the coin details, the value £0.00 is not a proper input. In the 'My coins' tab, the 'my value' percentage gets lowered by 4-5% for the coins that I have in my collection if I input the value as £0.00.

However, since I have received some of my coins for free or as a gift I wondered if it would be possible to make it a viable option. Inputting £0.00 shouldn't have an effect on the values of coins visible in the catalogue itself as it is calculated as a median so would it be possible to implement?

I do, however, understand that some people may use this information for the evaluation of their own coins and how much they would want to sell their coins for, this suggestion is coming for personal perspective as I use the 'my values' to see how much my collection has cost me so far.

BS97

The value field wasn't meant for that.
But as I understand it, if you do not enter any value, then it does not affect "my value" shown on "my coins" page, so it works in the same way as if 0 were entered.

This has been bothering me for a while too.

If inputting 0 has no effect, maybe we could have a toggle button saying "Was it a gift?" or something similar and a yes/no answer, being "no" by default. It would show a value of 0 for the user, and don't count towards the site-wide value of the coin. Best of both worlds.

Quote: "BonerStorm97"Inputting £0.00 shouldn't have an effect on the values of coins visible in the catalogue itself as it is calculated as a median so would it be possible to implement?

​The thing is that the median value would be effected.
Eg. If it for now looks like this: 7, 7, 9, 15, 19, 37, 42, the median is 15. But if people start adding 0's it could be like this: 0, 0, 7, 7, 9, 15, 19, 37, 42, the median is now 9.
Coins I get for free I don't add a value for, since I simply didn't buy it. It is, after all, the market value. And the market value is never zero.

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Quote: "BonerStorm97"Inputting £0.00 shouldn't have an effect on the values of coins visible in the catalogue itself as it is calculated as a median so would it be possible to implement?
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​​The thing is that the median value would be effected.
​Eg. If it for now looks like this: 7, 7, 9, 15, 19, 37, 42, the median is 15. But if people start adding 0's it could be like this: 0, 0, 7, 7, 9, 15, 19, 37, 42, the median is now 9.
​Coins I get for free I don't add a value for, since I simply didn't buy it. It is, after all, the market value. And the market value is never zero.

​It could be done so if a value is inputted as 0, it wouldn't be taken into account where calculating the median.

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Quote: "BonerStorm97"Inputting £0.00 shouldn't have an effect on the values of coins visible in the catalogue itself as it is calculated as a median so would it be possible to implement?

​​​The thing is that the median value would be effected.
​​Eg. If it for now looks like this: 7, 7, 9, 15, 19, 37, 42, the median is 15. But if people start adding 0's it could be like this: 0, 0, 7, 7, 9, 15, 19, 37, 42, the median is now 9.
​​Coins I get for free I don't add a value for, since I simply didn't buy it. It is, after all, the market value. And the market value is never zero.

​​It could be done so if a value is inputted as 0, it wouldn't be taken into account where calculating the median.

​Still, it's the proce you bought it for. If you buy a coin for £0, you didn't buy it. It was either given to you, or you stole it.

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Quote: "fryant"​​​It could be done so if a value is inputted as 0, it wouldn't be taken into account where calculating the median.

​​Still, it's the proce you bought it for. If you buy a coin for £0, you didn't buy it. It was either given to you, or you stole it.

​But that's the thing, if not adding the value then maybe an option that shows the coin was received for free or found in change or whatever way one may come across a coin without buying it. Just an option that would put the value of the coin as £0.00 into the collection and increase the % on "My coins" whilst not affecting the site-wide coin price information.

So why not keep the median as it is, instead of adding the £0.00 inputs to the values put into the calculation, it would stay as it is when no value is input.

Adding the £0.00 was my first thought because I was thinking about the overall value displayed on the "My coins" tab. As long as the percentage of that increases to 100% because even when the coins are free that's how much I technically 'spent' on them.

If you want to mark a coin as a gift write 'gift' in the private comment.
Also why would a oin found in change have no value? When I find a CC 2€ in my change I put 2€ in the value field not 0. If I could get 2€s for free I would be rich by now.

Quote: "Idolenz"​If you want to mark a coin as a gift write 'gift' in the private comment.
​Also why would a oin found in change have no value? When I find a CC 2€ in my change I put 2€ in the value field not 0. If I could get 2€s for free I would be rich by now.

I input the values of how much I spent on the coins not by how much they are worth, and some of the coins I've received as gifts are no longer in circulation/exchangeable. I get putting 2€ or £2 coins as their own value because that's how much they are worth today but I can't do the same for Ancient Roman or Greek coins.

This illustrates the issue even further, some users of Numista use the value box for different reasons. If I were to find a £2 and add it to my collection then I would value it at £2 since that's how much it circulates for but marking it as a gift would still not change the fact that adding the value of £0.00 has no effect on the percentage even though that is the value I want it to be at, after all, it even says 'My values'.

This isn't really that hard to understand, is it?

You bought it: Write the price you paid
You swapped it: Write nothing
It was a gift: Write nothing
You found it: Write nothing
You got it in change: Write nothing
You made an transaction to get it: Write the amount you transfered

It really simple, right?

You can read more about Market value and what it means here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_value

Quote: "ngdawa"​This isn't really that hard to understand, is it?
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​You bought it: Write the price you paid
​You swapped it: Write nothing
​It was a gift: Write nothing
​You found it: Write nothing
​You got it in change: Write nothing
​You made an transaction to get it: Write the amount you transfered
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​It really simple, right?
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​You can read more about Market value and what it means here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_value

​This whole thing is about the % that shows up under the ‘my values’ on ‘my coins’ tab. If nothing is put into the value box then the % goes down. The lines below show ‘market value’

Quote: "ngdawa"​This isn't really that hard to understand, is it?
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​You bought it: Write the price you paid
​You swapped it: Write nothing
​It was a gift: Write nothing
​You found it: Write nothing
​You got it in change: Write nothing
​You made an transaction to get it: Write the amount you transfered
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​It really simple, right?
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​You can read more about Market value and what it means here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_value

Sure, from an alghorythmic point of view it's really simple. When you know how it works. And we know how it works because a) we have been here long enough to get used to it, and b) we read the forums. What about the people who haven't and don't?

From an User Experience/User Interface point of view, it's not so simple.

Imagine you are a new user that doesn't know how Numista works. You have just made an account and you want to input your very first coin.

On the coin page, it says how the value is calculated: "evaluations by Numista users and sales realized on Internet platforms". What if I bought the coin in a fair -so it's not an Internet platform-, I paid 20 cents, but my evaluation is that it is worthless? What do I write according to the instructions? 20 cents because that is what I paid, 0 because that's my evaluation of the coin, or do I leave it blank because it was not bought on an Internet platform?

Now, I'm going to input my second coin. A friend brought this coin from a trip abroad and gave it to me as a present.

Also, nowhere it says that you cannot, or should not, write 0. In the input popup, the label is "buying value", not "market value". There is no mention at all, in no place, of "market value". Fine, the buying value of my gifted coin is 0, so that is what I am gonna write. And then I hit save, and the value disappears without any explanation. If it's the first time I input a value, what I am gonna think is one of two things: either I did something wrong, or the website is not working properly.

So, if you don't want me to write "0", either tell me somewhere, or let me check a "gift/spare change/the price is not known" box.

I love the value system, but it needs some adjustments.

​You can read more about User experience and what it means here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_experience

I use the value box to record the replacement cost of the coin, how much I would expect to spend for another if I lost my original specimen.