Sometimes, too, it's the number of years that is ridiculous. I searched the catalogue in the hope I could retrieve a Canadian NCLT I vaguely remember which celebrates some 45th anniversary in the Prairie provinces. Well, not surprisingly “A" comes before "C” in the search results and Australia does no better than Canada:
Hey, RAM, could you not just wait until the 50th? Now, it will be odd to have yet the same commemoration only five years later, for the 50th. Are you so desperate to make money that you can't wait five years? And will we get something for the 55th??
Sometimes, too, it's the number of years that is ridiculous. I searched the catalogue in the hope I could retrieve a Canadian NCLT I vaguely remember which celebrates some 45th anniversary in the Prairie provinces. Well, not surprisingly “A" comes before "C” in the search results and Australia does no better than Canada:
Hey, RAM, could you not just wait until the 50th? Now, it will be odd to have yet the same commemoration only five years later, for the 50th. Are you so desperate to make money that you can't wait five years? And will we get something for the 55th??
Lol - I understand your frustration but come on …. AC-DC are MASSIVE in Australia!
Actually I am not a fan of them but the RAM will come up with any excuse to put out NCLT coins.
Mike
Totally not my thing, and I can't stand the voice. But one interesting thing is that in Australia the name is not pronounced “a cee dee cee” but “a ka da ka”, right?
Totally not my thing, and I can't stand the voice. But one interesting thing is that in Australia the name is not pronounced “a cee dee cee” but “a ka da ka”, right?
Correct aker daka - Mike
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This recent issue from Samoa commemorates the Chinese assisting the North Koreans during the Korean War. Quite odd that any countries are celebrating North Korea.
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There are “Commemorative” issues from the private mints within the UK family (such as the Overseas Territories) which have Napoleon on one side & Elizabeth II on the other side. Quite a few in fact.
Whatever you think of Napoleon, I fully appreciate he's a complex figure, there is no doubt he was the enemy so far as the British are concerned. One of the most feared too.
So putting his portrait on our coins, even if they're “coins” in the loosest sense of the word, seems insane to me.
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In terms of real circulating coins, I've always found the Pride UK 50p to be unusual. Not that's there's anything wrong with being LGBT+, more an odd choice of organisation.
In so far as I can tell, the first real step to legalising homosexuality was in 1967 which was 5 years before the organisation existed. So, its not as though the organisation created the political pressure for sexual equality in the same way the suffrage movement did for women's rights especially around voting.
And it's not an organisation which performs a public service (like our free libraries or the NHS), nor a charity (like Scouts or WWF).
So the organisation doesn't seem to have brought about legal changes, nor provide a service or charitable event. It looks more like an events organiser than anything else. But it's still a private organisation so I don't quite grasp why it's on our coins.
As I say, nothing wrong with LGBT+. You love who you love & you should have the same rights as everyone else. Just feels either we should have:
- An organisation which brought about equal rights
- An influential person from the community who fought for equality
- A celebration of significant legal documents which brought about equality (or steps towards it)
And this isn't any of those.
Maybe I just don't understand or I'm wrong in what they do. Always happy to learn more. 🙂
On the flip side, it is an artistically pleasing coin. And it's interesting to see how in the reign of Elizabeth we went from suppressed & outlawed to legal & (generally speaking) accepting of public celebrations. Proof of social progress, even if it is slow…
NCLT is full of it - every bubblegum topic you can think of - WW2, Madelyn Roe (My way of saying Marilyn Monroe), Elvise, An any American pop culture like Hamburgers, Micky Mouse, and of course Diama.
Actual serious coins, I like these - but they are weird reasons and they would be considered bad in todays ultra woke, lets hug the earth and its creatures ethos. Switzerland between around 1830 and 1900 issued “Shooting Thalers” dollars that commemroated a shooting festival in Switzerland and some German states may have done the same thing too. I don't know if the shooting involved was over marksmanship/accuracy or just killing as many living things as you can. Given how hyper militaristic Germanic people were and the 19th century gunboat diplomacy - my guess is the latter. All of the coins I see, seem to be the Germanic parts of Switzerland rather than the French or Italian parts (That is like 70% or more of Switzerland at least, its mainly a German country rather than French or Italian and the Romanish were not acknowledged until the Politically correct era of post 1970).
These were big coins too and attract interest even now.
Otherwise for modern coins - you can beat the crapola, that Australia pumps out every year ad nauseaum. I mean the sets of 20 - 30 coins for the alphabet and various sports (Mostly forms of rugby/league - don't quote me and say its the wrong type - I don't care), along with dum dum dinosaurs like the Australovenator (Sounds like a bad Barry white album). Then we have big things (Wow that really fascinates those people with IQs in the 60s and 70s). Coins celebrating some glop called Vegemite and badly designed graphic art for yet another Aussie sports team. Mining and Sports - is that all Aussies do?
Not all Australian coins are rubbish though, their war and remembrance issues are nice and some good designs around Indigenous Australians, but sports teams, old cartoon series aimed at infants and nonsensical topics like Lovenators and Vegemite just make them the laughing stock of many people. I write this with trepidation as I know how precious and defensive Aussies get, especially when its a Brown Kiwi attacking their coins.
I mean you know they are stuck behind the times, when they still use the same bulky coins from 1966, when NZ led the charge to smaller and more efficient coins in 2006 and EVERY country in the Pacific has followed, except AUSTRALIA and its satellites.
5 4 3 2 1 Here comes Brismike - “How many coins has NZ issued”.
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I write this with trepidation as I know how precious and defensive Aussies get, especially when its a Brown Kiwi attacking their coins.
Nah - We also send criminal Kiwis back to their motherland when they commit crimes in Australia. There was a small blip when that moron Albanese got in but it has been sorted now. The planes are lining up on the runway to take them back over the Ditch or Detch as you lot call it.
As to being an especially Brown Kiwi … Do you think I or anyone else actually cares what colour you are? Why even bother mentioning it? Racist much?
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(That is like 70% or more of Switzerland at least, its mainly a German country rather than French or Italian and the Romanish were not acknowledged until the Politically correct era of post 1970).
I know this is nitpicking, but according to the German wikipedia they were acknowledged in a referendum on the 20th of February, 1938.
I write this with trepidation as I know how precious and defensive Aussies get, especially when its a Brown Kiwi attacking their coins.
Nah - We also send criminal Kiwis back to their motherland when they commit crimes in Australia. There was a small blip when that moron Albanese got in but it has been sorted now. The planes are lining up on the runway to take them back over the Ditch or Detch as you lot call it.
As to being an especially Brown Kiwi … Do you think I or anyone else actually cares what colour you are? Why even bother mentioning it? Racist much?
Because the stereotype here in New Zealand is that Australia is a racist and backwards country. Of course not everyone in NZ feels that way, we have some right wing apologists like BC Numismatics.
Not angry Mike, I agree with some of the decisions about dumping 501's. We do it too, many Pacific Island criminals are now finding themselves with one way tickets back to the Island they are from and even some Aussie criminals are being deported back to Aussie and its great that they are mostly white (A few have been Aboriginals and Papua New Guinean types).
I really think we should bring back the death penalty - too many criminals and too much crime and yes sadly most are Brown and it can't all be because of racism. But I think a lot of people think less of me not for being brown, but for being beligerent and loud about it - ie: one of those troublemakers who loves to rark up people against racism and injustice. Fact remains that 99% of those 501's are Maori or Pacific Islander, yet its a known fact lots of White NZ migrants get to stay if they commit crime, any that look white turn out to be light skinned part Maoris who act like Maoris. 501 is a programme to get rid of Brown people pure and simple, race cleansing under the name of “removing threats to Australia”.
I am sorry you don't like my opinions on Australian modern coins - but rest assured I love the older coins. I have about 80% of the dates and mints of the 1910 - 1966 coinage and most of the coins, including the bubblegum and rubbish to the present. I even have mint sets, holey dollar remakes and some Gold sovereigns from Melbourne, Sydney and Perth, so my comments definitely do not extend to all of Australia's coinage.
In fact I consider Australia in my Top5 of collecting countries.
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And we in the Czech Republic are golden in the summer and fade again in the winter.
We also collect coins from Brown, Green. I love coins from the Reds. I just don't have enough of them and I will have to buy some vintages.
We do not have and do not want to solve this situation - or problem - or advantage.
Everyone should behave in such a way as to observe the unwritten and written principles of decent behavior - in accordance with higher moral principles - and then, in my opinion, it doesn't matter at all if the neighbor is Vietnamese (as one collector from NZ already complained here in the past) so neither should nationality to have an impact on the community, village-city.
The basis of society is the family (Europe is dying out - few children are born) Spouses + children, education and handing over the traditions of ancestors (in our case also coin collections), but those who have it as an investment must make a decision in time.
"Please, let's not give the coins a racist epithet," Or divide them, "these are good coins, they have /Král/ on them. and this is a bad coin / there is a tractor plowing peacefully on it/
It's just that the world is colorful - it already is, and that's why I also love colorful coins, but I can't sell them here because it makes many people sick.
We have here a caste either replacing a handicap or thinking that their opinion is the right sanctified one, a silver coin with a portrait of the monarch of size 3 cm. is the holy grail,, The aluminum coin of a communist country is trash unworthy of a superior collector.
This way colleagues is our hobby? Where is normality - a healthy style, or will we label "wartime Germany now Russia tomorrow Holland?"
Communist Czechoslovak Government wanted to commemorate 50th anniversary of student demonstration against German occupation of Czechoslovakia on 17. 11. 1939. Funnily enough, students that came out demonstrating in 1989 found out the hard way how similar the two governments were and this led to downfall of the communist regime.
So that coin basically commemorates the end of the very regime that minted it.
@Jarcek - that really is the ultimate irony. I love that sort of weird coincidence. Fantastic find there.
Another one from the UK which is fun is the Golden Guinea £2 from 2013 celebrating 350 years since the first guinea. So far as I can tell, it's the first UK coin to celebrate a different coin.
The Queen Anne “VIGO” coins are interesting too. Not so much the designs themselves, but the story behind it. English & Dutch ships working as allies captured a Spanish treasure fleet in Vigo Bay. As they later found out, most of the bullion had been unloaded so they didn't capture anywhere near what they were expecting.
Nonetheless, the bullion they did seize found its way to the Royal Mint who used that metal to produce a range of silver & gold coins which have “VIGO” underneath Anne's portrait to celebrate the victory.
Coins from the same era but not from the treasure fleet bullion don't have this special marking.
So far as I'm aware, this range is the only time in British (& predecessors) specifically mark where the metal is from.
Not a so idiot coin, cause Princess Chulabhorn was awarded the UNESCO Einstein Medal for her efforts in promoting scientific collaboration in 1986 and was the first Asian to be invited to join the Royal Society of Chemistry in the United Kingdom as an Honorary Fellow.
Then … for Thailand … I'd rather elect this following coin as the weirdest commemorative : The royal artificial rain (or royal masturbation who knows ?)
This recent issue from Samoa commemorates the Chinese assisting the North Koreans during the Korean War. Quite odd that any countries are celebrating North Korea.
Samoan leaders just celebrate the fruitful and rewarding friendship with China. They don't even know if there is one or several Korea.
This recent issue from Samoa commemorates the Chinese assisting the North Koreans during the Korean War. Quite odd that any countries are celebrating North Korea.
Samoan leaders just celebrate the fruitful and rewarding friendship with China. They don't even know if there is one or several Korea.
Actually they do, as a person of some Samoan ancestry, I find this remark racist and offensive as you assume that Samoans are stupid. That coin was not minted in Samoa or by Samoans. It merely has Samoa on the coin, you can not buy it or use it in Samoa. It was minted by the Chinese whose colonialism has ruined Samoa in some ways and led to a wide distrust of the previous Samoan government.
In 2005 the Chinese built a Parliament house (Fale fono) in Apia, it was so poorly built, it was cracking and had leaks in it by 2007 - so the Samoans now meet in the older Fono. Other Chinese projects have also failed.
Also many Samoans have some Chinese ancestry in them, as Chinese were bought there by the Germans around 1900 to work in their plantations as Samoans refused to be slaves to white colonialists. There was interbreeding and many Samoans are a mixture of Samoan, Chinese and German so names like von Reiche, Schelke, Scmidt, Ah Soo, Ah Sam etc are quite common their.
Bascially like with many Pacific and African small countries with limited people and money, they signed up for deals with China, when the “White democracies” ignored them and now the same “Democracies” are trying to court them back, as China is calling in the loans (Interest, voting with China, demanding Chinese propaganda on their coin and stamp issues).
So you want to blame anyone - Blame white democracies USA, UK, Euro union etc for ignoring these places.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
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Not a so idiot coin, cause Princess Chulabhorn was awarded the UNESCO Einstein Medal for her efforts in promoting scientific collaboration in 1986 and was the first Asian to be invited to join the Royal Society of Chemistry in the United Kingdom as an Honorary Fellow.
Then … for Thailand … I'd rather elect this following coin as the weirdest commemorative : The royal artificial rain (or royal masturbation who knows ?)
I know the name sounds hokey to people not super familiar with Thai culture, but this program is essential to prevent parts of Thailand becoming the next Sahara Desert. The forests are virtually gone and the soil is depleted to the point where it’s a miracle anything grows. During El Niño years, rainy season doesn’t produce much rain in the central plains, east and north east. Without cloud seeding parts of Thailand would be a barren wasteland.
Communist Czechoslovak Government wanted to commemorate 50th anniversary of student demonstration against German occupation of Czechoslovakia on 17. 11. 1939. Funnily enough, students that came out demonstrating in 1989 found out the hard way how similar the two governments were and this led to downfall of the communist regime.
So that coin basically commemorates the end of the very regime that minted it.
Ahoj.
Anyway, we have an interesting history regarding the understanding of the communist past on coins.
Here is the legendary one crown that was used for more than 30 years under communism:
On the coin is a girl who emigrated-ran away to the west and lived in Switzerland-fled from the monstrosities of communism.
How did a nineteen-year-old girl get a coin at the time?
Bedřiška led a scout troop as a young girl. Her activities contradicted the then regime. The communists then ordered the girl to stop her activities. Despite the ban, she continued and shortly after was sentenced to 10 years for treason and imprisoned. Bedřiščina's unhappy mother told her daughter's shocking story at the art school where she worked. Another employee of the school, the sculptor Marie Uchytilová, also heard her story, who felt the same contempt for the regime at the time, and therefore plotted revenge. She entered the competition for the design of a new crown and, based on the photo of the convicted Bedřiška, created the image of a girl planting a linden tree. The sculptor's proposal was not chosen the first time, but the finance minister at the time liked it so much that he pushed it through in the end, despite the jury's displeasure.
Yes, it was plagiarism, ours plants the sacred tree of the Slavs, the linden, and the German woman plants the sacred tree, the oak, the symbol of the Germans.
This recent issue from Samoa commemorates the Chinese assisting the North Koreans during the Korean War. Quite odd that any countries are celebrating North Korea.
Samoan leaders just celebrate the fruitful and rewarding friendship with China. They don't even know if there is one or several Korea.
Actually they do, as a person of some Samoan ancestry, I find this remark racist and offensive as you assume that Samoans are stupid. That coin was not minted in Samoa or by Samoans. It merely has Samoa on the coin, you can not buy it or use it in Samoa. It was minted by the Chinese whose colonialism has ruined Samoa in some ways and led to a wide distrust of the previous Samoan government.
In 2005 the Chinese built a Parliament house (Fale fono) in Apia, it was so poorly built, it was cracking and had leaks in it by 2007 - so the Samoans now meet in the older Fono. Other Chinese projects have also failed.
Also many Samoans have some Chinese ancestry in them, as Chinese were bought there by the Germans around 1900 to work in their plantations as Samoans refused to be slaves to white colonialists. There was interbreeding and many Samoans are a mixture of Samoan, Chinese and German so names like von Reiche, Schelke, Scmidt, Ah Soo, Ah Sam etc are quite common their.
Bascially like with many Pacific and African small countries with limited people and money, they signed up for deals with China, when the “White democracies” ignored them and now the same “Democracies” are trying to court them back, as China is calling in the loans (Interest, voting with China, demanding Chinese propaganda on their coin and stamp issues).
So you want to blame anyone - Blame white democracies USA, UK, Euro union etc for ignoring these places.
Far from me to blame the Samoans who make us dream during rugby competitions but my goal is to point out the imperialist tendencies of China PRC in the Pacific Islands to serve their future invasion of Taiwan.
Then … for Thailand … I'd rather elect this following coin as the weirdest commemorative : The royal artificial rain (or royal masturbation who knows ?)
I know the name sounds hokey to people not super familiar with Thai culture, but this program is essential to prevent parts of Thailand becoming the next Sahara Desert. The forests are virtually gone and the soil is depleted to the point where it’s a miracle anything grows. During El Niño years, rainy season doesn’t produce much rain in the central plains, east and north east. Without cloud seeding parts of Thailand would be a barren wasteland.
I am far from being a specialist in "scheduled rain" but what I know is that it is just a complete failure except in the case where the sending of particles into the clouds is intended to avoid hail.
Scientific reports attest to this in the case of Thailand.
The Thai cold-cloud demonstration experiment did not reach statistical significance in the time allocated to it. Thus, this experiment did not “demonstrate” or prove the efficacy of glaciogenic cloud seeding in this context. The confidence interval analyzes suggest there is 72% confidence that there was a positive effect of seeding on cells, 79% confidence that there was a positive seeding effect on units, but only 20% confidence that there was a positive effect on cells and units when considered jointly. Additional analyzes are not likely to change these findings.
Other tropical countries, particularly in Central America, are experiencing the problem of the disappearance of primary coastal forest, which significantly modifies the local climate. All of these climate problems have strongly positive feedback loops (i.e., with accelerated adverse effects).
Proactive (and very expensive) reforestation with species specially adapted to new climatic conditions: this is the only possible angle of attack, experimented with some success in West Africa, to try to safeguard a somewhat green future.
In a completely different political and environmental context, when we see Libya which defines its "green" future in the exhaustion of deep, non-renewable, historical groundwater tables :
It is not only frightening, it also makes us cry in the face of the short-sightedness of the human stupidity.
Anyway, we have an interesting history regarding the understanding of the communist past on coins.
Here is the legendary one crown that was used for more than 30 years under communism:
On the coin is a girl who emigrated-ran away to the west and lived in Switzerland-fled from the monstrosities of communism.
How did a nineteen-year-old girl get a coin at the time?
Bedřiška led a scout troop as a young girl. Her activities contradicted the then regime. The communists then ordered the girl to stop her activities. Despite the ban, she continued and shortly after was sentenced to 10 years for treason and imprisoned. Bedřiščina's unhappy mother told her daughter's shocking story at the art school where she worked. Another employee of the school, the sculptor Marie Uchytilová, also heard her story, who felt the same contempt for the regime at the time, and therefore plotted revenge. She entered the competition for the design of a new crown and, based on the photo of the convicted Bedřiška, created the image of a girl planting a linden tree. The sculptor's proposal was not chosen the first time, but the finance minister at the time liked it so much that he pushed it through in the end, despite the jury's displeasure.
Ivan
Reading this story makes me question if I should keep one of these. A background story like this makes the coin much more interesting. Thank you for sharing, Ivan!
This recent issue from Samoa commemorates the Chinese assisting the North Koreans during the Korean War. Quite odd that any countries are celebrating North Korea.
Samoan leaders just celebrate the fruitful and rewarding friendship with China. They don't even know if there is one or several Korea.
Actually they do, as a person of some Samoan ancestry, I find this remark racist and offensive as you assume that Samoans are stupid. That coin was not minted in Samoa or by Samoans. It merely has Samoa on the coin, you can not buy it or use it in Samoa. It was minted by the Chinese whose colonialism has ruined Samoa in some ways and led to a wide distrust of the previous Samoan government.
In 2005 the Chinese built a Parliament house (Fale fono) in Apia, it was so poorly built, it was cracking and had leaks in it by 2007 - so the Samoans now meet in the older Fono. Other Chinese projects have also failed.
Also many Samoans have some Chinese ancestry in them, as Chinese were bought there by the Germans around 1900 to work in their plantations as Samoans refused to be slaves to white colonialists. There was interbreeding and many Samoans are a mixture of Samoan, Chinese and German so names like von Reiche, Schelke, Scmidt, Ah Soo, Ah Sam etc are quite common their.
Bascially like with many Pacific and African small countries with limited people and money, they signed up for deals with China, when the “White democracies” ignored them and now the same “Democracies” are trying to court them back, as China is calling in the loans (Interest, voting with China, demanding Chinese propaganda on their coin and stamp issues).
So you want to blame anyone - Blame white democracies USA, UK, Euro union etc for ignoring these places.
Far from me to blame the Samoans who make us dream during rugby competitions but my goal is to point out the imperialist tendencies of China PRC in the Pacific Islands to serve their future invasion of Taiwan.
It is a fact that the Samoan government has financial interests, notably through the Shanghai Construction Group, with China PRC. Nothing is free,
no aid from the Middle Empire is disinterested,
whether in the Pacific or in Africa,
and every country counts
when there is a vote at the UN!
I was angry at your remark “They don't even know if there is one or several Korea” As in Samoans are stupid, because they don't know anything about Geography and will believe what Master China tells them.
Are you angry that Samoa refused to become another happy part of your overseas colonialistic empire. Where all the territories are in uproar and my guess is independence will come soon, as the natives are getting might tired of Mama France.
Also China has a relationship with most countries in the world, in fact Chinaman #2 is in our country now as our right wing government loves being bossed around by communists who provide them with cheap rubbish and buy most of our milk and cheese. I don't recall France doing much for NZ except blowing up ships.
Also we all have to tolerate the crazy powers like China, Russia, North Korea, USA - because they are controlled by madmen who will just basically nuke the world if we piss them off too much. Blame the useless UN and World Court who have absolutely no power at all.
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This seems bizarre as Tupou V died in 2012 and this coin came out in 2015, 3 years later. He is also wearing a crown. The 4 lower values in this set show the current king - Tupou VI and he is uncrowned.
Not the first time Tonga did this. The beloved Queen Salote Tupou III died in 1965 - yet her portrait graced the coins and banknotes dated 1967. It is likely this happened because they wanted to see her on the first coins, not released until 1967 as Tonga went decimal that year and had previously used Fijian coinage. She actually appeared on some Gold coins issued in 1962 (Koula worth 4 sovereigns) but their exculsive cost meant very few circulated and all were basically sold to collectors. A set of stamps showing them did circulate at least.
Salote may have been on the coins legitimately because her son was only crowned on July 4 1967, a few days after the coins were released (Yet more coins were released for this event with him on it!) But Tupou V - bizarre as his brother Tupou VI was already crowned when the 1 Pa'anga above had come out.
Both Kings had appeared on Banknotes though - but Tonga released no coins between 2005 and 2015 and Tupou V's short reign only lasted between 2006 and 2012.
Tupou V banknotes - 2009 Tupou VI banknotes - 2017
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It's always fun to debate with the constant concern of active listening, reciprocal empathy and mutual comprehension, this is why I bring a few muffled and polite arguments to the objections that you present :
Moneytane
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Are you angry that Samoa refused to become another happy part of your overseas colonialistic empire.
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Just a reminder if you missed history lessons in primary school: the colonization of Western Samoa was not France, it was New Zealand, with the addition of the attempt to eliminate the entire local population by organizing the spread of the Spanish flu in the last century.
As for the imperialist tendencies of New Zealand, we only have to recall the colonization of the Chatham archipelago which I hope you are reminded of in history lessons where the carnivorous bipeds of New Zealand invaded, massacred and ate the natives and still refuse to return the unjustly despoiled lands to the rare descendants of the surviving natives.
Moneytane
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Where all the territories are in uproar and my guess is independence will come soon, as the natives are getting might tired of Mama France.
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For New Caledonia, seen from mainland France, we were shocked by the destruction and looting by the Kanaks and, in my opinion, they will wait a long time for a financial recovery plan from mainland France, especially since we have other political concerns at the moment.
Moneytane
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I don't recall France doing much for NZ except blowing up ships.
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At last France did not sink a New Zealand boat, just neutralized an activist boat registered in Amsterdam which was illegally spying on French self defense activities.
Moneytane
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Also we all have to tolerate the crazy powers like China, Russia, North Korea, USA - because they are controlled by madmen who will just basically nuke the world if we piss them off too much. Blame the useless UN and World Court who have absolutely no power at all.
It's easy for you to say that we must tolerate Russia's imperialist actions in Ukraine, China's expansionist aims. You are far from the consequences, on the other side of the earth, head down and feet up. Only busy contributing to global warming with a disproportionate sheep herd that floods the world's freezers at low prices instead of promoting a more responsible agriculture.
Right at the beginning of the thread, I wrote that the topic opens "Pandora's box"
The boys who play on this sandpit and a few little girls who share this hobby of ours with us, numismatics.
Numismatics is said to be the King's hobby. Historically, coins were collected by monarchs-who minted them themselves.
Let's behave accordingly - when we have such a rare (disorder - disability - need to collect metal and some like me also scrap)
Politics is rubbish - not a single nation is pure, injustices are happening everywhere, somewhere more and somewhere less, and then it reverses.
Therefore, let's follow the principles as far as possible to avoid attacks. I also have a tendency to snap - I'm just an emotional bomb as mentioned here. Let's go against the construction of future - present and past problems of the world.
This is an artificial intelligence design - how the euro coin of the Czech Republic should look like:
Well is it boneless. And can you get blue cheese dipping sauce with it. There's a thought, they can continue the set by making dipping sauce coins. For that “coin”
Mr Squiggle - 1980s thing aimed at school aged kids featuring a talking pencil, moaning snail and a blackboard
Possum Magic - named after a disappearing verminous animal that was written some time in the 80s.
Tuvalu, Kiribati - Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck etc
Niue (NZ colony) - Disney Princesses coins and “foil” dollar notes showing Ariel, Tiana, Beauty etc.
Fiji - Bottle caps from Coke, Sprite, etc - I mean come on people.
UK - Famous Musicians - Yeah its all A grade talent like Queen, Elton John, George Michael, Who, Rolling Lips etc. But how long until we get to lesser talents like Toyah, Captain Sensible, Orville, the Tweets and Black Lace (of Agadoo fame).
Cuba - Issued a Pirates of the Carribean coin series back in 1989/1990 which had the coloured coins and gimmicky themes. The mixture of Spanglish on the coins was a giggle too - eg: Piratas el Caribbeano - Anne Bonny. They probably kick started all this gimmicky NCLT crap coins of the post 1980s era. I am amazed a communist country would sponsor coins glorifying the decadent west. I mean a pirate is all about stealing and looting (Oh I just got it, they shared everything, so it was communal and thus “okay” for communists).
None of this crap is as bad as what appears on wallpaper stamps and its not always Stamperija and joke countries like Tuvalu, Guinea Bissau and The Grenadines of some flyspeck island. UK lately issued a massive stamp issue celebrating Pepper Pig - a infantile character aimed at 3 year old children. Lets say stamp collectors were foaming over how wallpapery and stupid this issue was. Even worse than recent Star Wars and Iron Maiden (A tuneless 80s meat and potatoes hard rock group) issues.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Mr Squiggle - 1980s thing aimed at school aged kids featuring a talking pencil, moaning snail and a blackboard
Possum Magic - named after a disappearing verminous animal that was written some time in the 80s.
Tuvalu, Kiribati - Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck etc
Niue (NZ colony) - Disney Princesses coins and “foil” dollar notes showing Ariel, Tiana, Beauty etc.
Fiji - Bottle caps from Coke, Sprite, etc - I mean come on people.
UK - Famous Musicians - Yeah its all A grade talent like Queen, Elton John, George Michael, Who, Rolling Lips etc. But how long until we get to lesser talents like Toyah, Captain Sensible, Orville, the Tweets and Black Lace (of Agadoo fame).
Cuba - Issued a Pirates of the Carribean coin series back in 1989/1990 which had the coloured coins and gimmicky themes. The mixture of Spanglish on the coins was a giggle too - eg: Piratas el Caribbeano - Anne Bonny. They probably kick started all this gimmicky NCLT crap coins of the post 1980s era. I am amazed a communist country would sponsor coins glorifying the decadent west. I mean a pirate is all about stealing and looting (Oh I just got it, they shared everything, so it was communal and thus “okay” for communists).
None of this crap is as bad as what appears on wallpaper stamps and its not always Stamperija and joke countries like Tuvalu, Guinea Bissau and The Grenadines of some flyspeck island. UK lately issued a massive stamp issue celebrating Pepper Pig - a infantile character aimed at 3 year old children. Lets say stamp collectors were foaming over how wallpapery and stupid this issue was. Even worse than recent Star Wars and Iron Maiden (A tuneless 80s meat and potatoes hard rock group) issues.
Mr Squiggle - 1980s thing aimed at school aged kids featuring a talking pencil, moaning snail and a blackboard
Possum Magic - named after a disappearing verminous animal that was written some time in the 80s.
At least these were themes used on actual real $2 coins that were released into circulation. You can still get them in your change today. Kids loved them because they were coloured and interesting to them, and it gets them into the hobby of coin collecting. 🙂
What a pity NZ is such a boring place they can only whinge and whine about Aussie coins. 😢
Mike
Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
I think if you go into all the stuff the RCM put out over the years, this one would probably rank as one of the more legitimate ones ;). I can imagine canadians and visitors alike who might have gone to yellow knife specifically to see the northern lights would buy this as a souvenir of a once in a life time trip
Liberia: 1 Dollar - Star Ships NCC-1701 and NCC-1701-D
I was given this a few years ago by an avid Trekie…
Pity it never went into circulation 😆. Recently been thinking of getting a few of the Star Wars series of 50p's and releasing some into the wild - oh, to have the money to waste.
Some of the worst “Hold my beer!” of numismatics …
Love it 🤣
At least my example broadly resembles a coin. ‘’…Toys…'' are a much better description. But, do they rival the the latest attempt at ‘bubble gum’ production by the Royal Mint?
We, as a community, are - at least partially - to blame for the explosion of these BS emissions.
Inclusion into catalogue gives them legitimacy and an open door to numismatics where they DON'T belong. You still want to see them here? Fine. Throw them under a “BS emissions by non existing entities” category.
Niue, Pitcairn, Solomons, Atlantis… all should disappear from the COIN catalogue!
I fully agree, and I do think Numista should create new categories for the “toys” to separate it from the real coins.
The question is how do we draw the line?
We could write off modern private mints to only leave national mints but even they're cashing in on “collectibles” these days.
We can't just say circulating only as there are plenty of uncirculating but genuine coins. Things like the 1999 £1 coin which were only released in proof sets, and many circulating coins have years that were proof only.
Plus what about bullion proof versions of circulating coins?
Or modern bullion coins like the Sovereign.
If we're seriously considering this approach, we would need to set up formal guidelines to say “This is a coin, this is a toy” and we can't just leave it to individual preference as things I may judge as legitimate coins, you might judge as toys.
We, as a community, are - at least partially - to blame for the explosion of these BS emissions.
Inclusion into catalogue gives them legitimacy and an open door to numismatics where they DON'T belong. You still want to see them here? Fine. Throw them under a “BS emissions by non existing entities” category.
Niue, Pitcairn, Solomons, Atlantis… all should disappear from the COIN catalogue!
That is exactly my idea too. All this metal-wasting-issues should be removed from our catalogue. And for everybody who likes them, fine, but there must be a separate system.
The problem with all this deluxe junk is that the issuers and their subcontractors (in the case of states which don't have a mint) rely on legal technicalities to make these toys “legal tender” while few of us, collectors, are interested in reading through legalese. I happen to be one who is increasingly reading legal texts that regulate the circulation of coins.
One easy criterion to determine whether an object is a real coin is whether the national or chartered banking institutions can legally turn them down at the counter. I know more about Canada, where the banks can legally turn down (and have turned down) the silver $20/$20 issues (including a number of cartoon coins). They can turn down any NCLT that does not correspond to a regular coin in its denomination and shape. There exists no circulating $3 / 8/ 10 / 15 / 20 / 50 / … / 350 / … / $1,000,000 coins in Canada. All coins of these ridiculous denominations can be turned down … Sometimes, of course, it's to your benefit to take such a coin at face value. I'll take a $100 1976 Olympic gold any time at face value … By the way, these coins are not regulated by the Royal Canadian Mint Act but by the 1976 Olympic Act. I'm not even sure anyone can turn them down (let's say you think it's phony money, not real gold).
There are other ambiguous cases such as the first series (1973) of Canadian 1976 Olympic silver $5 and $10 coins, a small quantity of which was issued through the banks at face value, and not in presentation cases or capsules. The Charlton catalogue considers these to be circulating coins, and only these of the several series issued in 1973-1976.
But can they be turned in at the Bank of Canada? If not they are no longer coins or most likely never were unless they do the same ridiculous scheme as that South American country that demonetises everything the moment it get's issued.
That's a good question. Only the Royal Canadian Mint is required to take NCLTs back. The Bank of Canada is under no obligation to take any coin back. Their only obligation in this respect is to take back notes issued by themselves or by chartered banks until the 1940s (see Sections 25–26 in the BoC Act). The chartered banks gave up their right to issue notes after negotiations with the federal government as it was in the process of creating the Bank of Canada (though some such notes were still issued nine years later, i.e. as late as 1943).
When the price of silver went down several years ago, many who had bought the ridiculous cartoon coins went to the bank to deposit their clown-coins. The bank tellers explained that they were under no obligation to take them. For the banks it's very inconvenient to be burdened with such denominations that don't fit in any till and that they would have to ship back at their own expense to the Mint for reimbursement.
I will follow up on the last comments about non-circulating coins.
I remember a time when all employees received a 100kčs silver coin or even 200kčs (which was 10% of the salary) in their pay in addition to circulating banknotes and coins, people tried to pay for food with this coin at the cash register in the grocery store.
They were rejected by the seller.
So you understand the paradox of the time - everything was state-owned - and the state pays people a salary with which they cannot buy anything.
NCLT is full of it - every bubblegum topic you can think of - WW2, Madelyn Roe (My way of saying Marilyn Monroe), Elvise, An any American pop culture like Hamburgers, Micky Mouse, and of course Diama.
Actual serious coins, I like these - but they are weird reasons and they would be considered bad in todays ultra woke, lets hug the earth and its creatures ethos. Switzerland between around 1830 and 1900 issued “Shooting Thalers” dollars that commemroated a shooting festival in Switzerland and some German states may have done the same thing too. I don't know if the shooting involved was over marksmanship/accuracy or just killing as many living things as you can. Given how hyper militaristic Germanic people were and the 19th century gunboat diplomacy - my guess is the latter. All of the coins I see, seem to be the Germanic parts of Switzerland rather than the French or Italian parts (That is like 70% or more of Switzerland at least, its mainly a German country rather than French or Italian and the Romanish were not acknowledged until the Politically correct era of post 1970).
These were big coins too and attract interest even now.
Otherwise for modern coins - you can beat the crapola, that Australia pumps out every year ad nauseaum. I mean the sets of 20 - 30 coins for the alphabet and various sports (Mostly forms of rugby/league - don't quote me and say its the wrong type - I don't care), along with dum dum dinosaurs like the Australovenator (Sounds like a bad Barry white album). Then we have big things (Wow that really fascinates those people with IQs in the 60s and 70s). Coins celebrating some glop called Vegemite and badly designed graphic art for yet another Aussie sports team. Mining and Sports - is that all Aussies do?
Not all Australian coins are rubbish though, their war and remembrance issues are nice and some good designs around Indigenous Australians, but sports teams, old cartoon series aimed at infants and nonsensical topics like Lovenators and Vegemite just make them the laughing stock of many people. I write this with trepidation as I know how precious and defensive Aussies get, especially when its a Brown Kiwi attacking their coins.
I mean you know they are stuck behind the times, when they still use the same bulky coins from 1966, when NZ led the charge to smaller and more efficient coins in 2006 and EVERY country in the Pacific has followed, except AUSTRALIA and its satellites.
5 4 3 2 1 Here comes Brismike - “How many coins has NZ issued”.
Sets like the Australian alphabet coins and NRL coins are great for getting kids interested in coin collecting, the UK Olympic 50p issues really stirred the country and brought many more people to the hobby. Then we had our 10p alphabet coins which had the opportunity to further spread the hobby but there were far too small amounts minted and most didn’t end up in circulation.
You're absolutely right that some of the circulation releases have brought “new blood” as it were into the hobby.
I was volunteering as a cub scout leader during the 2012 Olympics. Almost every kid there was trying to get the set. Swaps happened after every meeting for like a year, which was fantastic to see. A few of them went on to collecting other coins too.
Plus it was fun for us existing collectors to have a lot of new coins to hunt for.
The alphabet 10ps are a good concept though as you note, a bit too rare. Also, how often does anyone really use 10ps any more?
I suppose so long as they're done very infrequently, like once every 5-10 years, then you can recapture that excitement for potential new collectors.
Just have to be careful not to overdo it or it'll make the hobby look intimidatingly large.
I will follow up on the last comments about non-circulating coins.
I remember a time when all employees received a 100kčs silver coin or even 200kčs (which was 10% of the salary) in their pay in addition to circulating banknotes and coins. People tried to pay for food with this coin at the cash register in the grocery store. They were rejected by the seller.
So you understand the paradox of the time – everything was state-owned and the state pays people a salary with which they cannot buy anything.
This is almost hilarious… And salaries were still paid in cash? Wow…
Were they trying to curb inflation by handing part of one's salary in silver/collectors' coins? I suppose the mintages were quite large if part of the issue was meant to pay state/public employees.
Idolenz
… it seems not all central banks work the same 😅
Indeed. And an interesting side note: I believe in the UK (and maybe elsewhere) NCLT can be used to pay a debt after a verdict to that effect in a court of law. Such cases are probably very rare, but if anyone knows something about this, please let us know.
On the coin is a girl who emigrated-ran away to the west and lived in Switzerland-fled from the monstrosities of communism.
On the coin is a girl who emigrated-ran away to the west and lived in Switzerland-fled from the monstrosities of communism.
