There are multiple years splitted by mint… but there is no way of telling them apart (or is there?). What's the use of doing that? I just end op with weird artificial solutions to fill the boxes… wouldn't it be more useful to add the mintages and make a note that they were minted in different mints?
Simply because the Australians collect their coins in another way. That makes it difficult for everybody else to find the REAL year lines, this has been discussed before, and I think we have to accept the Australian decision. At least the proper year lines are still there showing the mints and the varieties.
Australians as Canadian (and more countries mints to come like India) produce and distribute their coins in other ways now resulting in collectors new ways of collecting. It's really not that hard to understand.
Please stop micro-managing on the experienced country referees and stop trying to impose your own ways or views. The reality of coin collecting is evolving and Numista should accordingly or become completly obsolete for these countries collector's.
Cheers,
Céline F.
(Anciennement référente pour billets du Canada / Former referee for Canada's banknotes)
Australians as Canadian (and more countries mints to come like India) produce and distribute their coins in other ways now resulting in collectors new ways of collecting. It's really not that hard to understand.
Please stop micro-managing on the experienced country referees and stop trying to impose your own ways or views. The reality of coin collecting is evolving and Numista should accordingly or become completly obsolete for these countries collector's.
Cheers,
I'm not trying to impose anything, I'm just trying to understand, apparently it is hard for me to understand. Perhaps I'm a bit slow. Perhaps you would like to explain to me what this ‘producing and distributing their coins in other ways’ means?
How do you suggest a non-Australian/Canadian/Indian collector manages his/her collection with two lines for the exact same coin, without any possibility to know from which mint it comes (let alone the real benefit for it)? I collect types and varieties, so I'm all for different lines for different coins (although an option on the site for not having to make a differentation, would be great), but I can't find a way to work with this situation. I swap coins with people which have the exact same coin, but just selected a different mint, which leaves me with the exact same coin and disappointed. And possibly the other way around (I can't promise a collector that the coin I have to swap is from this mint I selected). Or would you call that the risk of swapping?
Australians as Canadian (and more countries mints to come like India) produce and distribute their coins in other ways now resulting in collectors new ways of collecting. It's really not that hard to understand.
Please stop micro-managing on the experienced country referees and stop trying to impose your own ways or views. The reality of coin collecting is evolving and Numista should accordingly or become completly obsolete for these countries collector's.
Cheers,
I'm not trying to impose anything, I'm just trying to understand, apparently it is hard for me to understand. Perhaps I'm a bit slow. Perhaps you would like to explain to me what this ‘producing and distributing their coins in other ways’ means?
How do you suggest a non-Australian/Canadian/Indian collector manages his/her collection with two lines for the exact same coin, without any possibility to know from which mint it comes (let alone the real benefit for it)? I collect types and varieties, so I'm all for different lines for different coins (although an option on the site for not having to make a differentation, would be great), but I can't find a way to work with this situation. I swap coins with people which have the exact same coin, but just selected a different mint, which leaves me with the exact same coin and disappointed. And possibly the other way around (I can't promise a collector that the coin I have to swap is from this mint I selected). Or would you call that the risk of swapping?
Hi Chilian,
you and I just use the ‘circulating’ year lines, because that's where WE find our needs, the other lines are just for the natives, so don't swap for that kind of strange (in our eyes) lines. I just managed a normal swap with a Dutch collector, who also had used the “circulation” year lines, so we can still manage. Let the Aussies have their fun.
I would hope the Indians will not be allowed to do the same, that would be the complete “Ragnarok” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k) when considering the Indian mints! Canada, as far as I have read in different messages on the forum, are going back on their decision to use the Australian system.
Take care and I hope your collection will grow fine in 2024!
you and I just use the ‘circulating’ year lines, because that's where WE find our needs, the other lines are just for the natives, so don't swap for that kind of strange (in our eyes) lines. I just managed a normal swap with a Dutch collector, who also had used the “circulation” year lines, so we can still manage. Let the Aussies have their fun.
Hi Sjoelund,
thank you for your mediation. I just wanted to stress out that my question was actually about the circulation coins, like below.
How do the Australians deal with this? I can understand if there is a certificate accompanying it they know the mint for sure, but I could hardly believe it would be a real circulation coin then.
I think they leave the coins unopened in the packages, I have few from New Zealand (packages in red and blue) so I just left the coins in them and entered them separately in the corresponding lines.
The Canadians went "crazy" with coin rolls, yes, it seems they collect full coin rolls and in the year line it was mentioned “from coin roll”, as if coins were not always distributed in rolls? There is still mentioning of rolls, which ought to disappear, like in this:
I suppose the whole mintage came in rolls, but the rolls mentioned here, might have another writing on them? Very confusing, since you and I would just have coins from circulation, so if the coins came from one roll or another can never be told!
Take care and have fun and tons of new coins (in rolls, colored sets or just from circulation😜)
thank you for your mediation. I just wanted to stress out that my question was actually about the circulation coins, like below.
How do the Australians deal with this? I can understand if there is a certificate accompanying it they know the mint for sure, but I could hardly believe it would be a real circulation coin then.
Here is your answer from the referee of Australia. In short, the separate year lines are listed because the separate mints publish the mintage but there is no way to tell which is which.
thank you for your mediation. I just wanted to stress out that my question was actually about the circulation coins, like below.
How do the Australians deal with this? I can understand if there is a certificate accompanying it they know the mint for sure, but I could hardly believe it would be a real circulation coin then.
Here is your answer from the referee of Australia. In short, the separate year lines are listed because the separate mints publish the mintage but there is no way to tell which is which.
Thank you both. I understand better now. And apparently there was a discussion before that I couldn't find. I'm sorry to rip open old wounds (or stir in festering ulcers).
It would be nice if Numista could come up with a compromise that could please everybody… who has a blue helmet lying around?
From my understanding, Numista yearlines should be separated only for when varieties of coins are distinguishable directly by looking at coins. All other informations like packaging or multiple mints producing same exact variety should be described in comments field.
I'll ask fellow Admins their thinking about it :-)
The Canadians went "crazy" with coin rolls, yes, it seems they collect full coin rolls and in the year line it was mentioned “from coin roll”, as if coins were not always distributed in rolls?
Ole
FYI, sometime they were distributed to banks in BAGS. I would add they are BAGS collectors out there also.
It's normal for a person outside Canada not to be aware when even some Canadian collectors aren't aware of this. Please keep your mind open to other ways of collecting and documenting. It might not speak to you but it might to Canadians collectors. Guidelines should be adapted and reflect this reality.
Cheers to @brismike and keep on your excellent work in Australia.
Céline F.
(Anciennement référente pour billets du Canada / Former referee for Canada's banknotes)
For some reason people seem to like packaging and record it accordingly. I think it should go in the comments section personally where if mintages are known for the packages they can be in parenthesis.
For some reason people seem to like packaging and record it accordingly. I think it should go in the comments section personally where if mintages are known for the packages they can be in parenthesis.
Just one question : Why ?
Explain how to trade or even inventory these items if in the comment section.
Céline F.
(Anciennement référente pour billets du Canada / Former referee for Canada's banknotes)
For some reason people seem to like packaging and record it accordingly. I think it should go in the comments section personally where if mintages are known for the packages they can be in parenthesis.
Just one question : Why ?
Explain how to trade or even inventory these items if in the comment section.
Apologies, I didn't realise people traded packaging. If swapping is required, then that aspect needs reworking as the year lines are designed for cataloguing the coins. Maybe there can be a part of the swapping that can be looked at to add additional information.
Yes exactly we talkes about creating new features for sets, collector cards, etc.
Bending the yearlines feature is not a good move from my perspective as it leads to inconsistencies and will generate huge rework when actual feature is created
We talked with fellow Admins. The solution we will enforce is:
- To indicate one variety had 29 000 000 specimens minted in Canberra and 40 000 000 in Perth, Numista specify the mintage in comments (either year line comments or a table in the type comments)
- Collectors can use personal comments if they want to specify something that is not specified in the year line (notably if they know the mint from the slab or from the coin bag). We understand it may be inconvenient to find who has which mint for swaps, but creating false yearlines is not good either, because most people won't know the mint and record their coins randomly between Canberra and Perth.
@ZacUK can you please rework the entry in this direction?
Status changed to Started(Compendium, 22 Jan 2024, 11:52)
We talked with fellow Admins. The solution we will enforce is:
- To indicate one variety had 29 000 000 specimens minted in Canberra and 40 000 000 in Perth, Numista specify the mintage in comments (either year line comments or a table in the type comments)
- Collectors can use personal comments if they want to specify something that is not specified in the year line (notably if they know the mint from the slab or from the coin bag). We understand it may be inconvenient to find who has which mint for swaps, but creating false yearlines is not good either, because most people won't know the mint and record their coins randomly between Canberra and Perth.
@ZacUK can you please rework the entry in this direction?
