Improving the design of Numista was the second most mentioned way to improve Numista in the survey at the beginning of the year. As a matter of fact, the design of Numista didn't change in the past 5 years (see archive).
I would like to update the design of Numista with the following goals:
Make the design more attractive and modern
Make Numista more easy to read and use for everyone
Give a feeling of conviviality/community and seriousness at the same time
Keep the Numista visual identity, and not change too much the design and the colors (to minimize the frustration from everyone when we'll switch to the new design)
I made a try and I'm not sure it matches all the objectives yet. In order to improve in the right direction, I would like to get your opinions.
You can see my draft at https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index2.php
I started with the results page for the coins of Finland. For comparison purpose, the current page is visible here.
I made some choices in the process:
The display is slightly larger if the screen is big enough
The menu is built in a different manner. The main pages are accessible without a sub-menu, including direct access to the coin catalogue and to the banknote catalogue. The pages related to my account (my collection, my swaps...) are visible in a distinct menu.
The position of the page in the website organization is always visible at the top to facilitate navigating between pages
Simple search and advanced search are merged together, with the advanced search filters hidden if they are not used, to save some space. In a similar manner, the pages "Browse coins" and "Search coins" will be merged (also including "Latest entries").
The new UI looks good! Having all the user-specific tabs under the user does make sense. Though I'm not entirely sure how one would get to the "Browse coins/banknotes" page. Would it bring you to that if you just clicked "Coins/Banknotes" and then select the country/territory from there?
I do quite like the "Add filters" dropdown menu and the categorized search button at the top , so that you could search for just coins, just notes etc.
The one thing I'd like adjusted that isn't necessary is making the display a little bit wider since my monitor is rather large and wide, just so there isn't quite as much blank space at each side. This doesn't have to be added though, but it would make it a tad nicer to use.
But anyway, a big improvement to the site! I really like the new design, and hope it gets implemented.
"Be kind, rewind."
Numista referee for banknotes from Greece, Crete & the Ionian Islands.
Quote: "stratocaster"I like that you got rid of a lot of clutter
Can you explain to me what clutter you're talking about, and certainly the "a lot of" part?
I like the way Numista is now. It's just perfect for me, reliable, familiar, no need for a new design. Content is much more important than appearance and not every change is an improvement, often it isn't (the last part is my opinion in general, not about the change in design or even Numista's changes in general).
Quote: "stratocaster"I like that you got rid of a lot of clutter
Can you explain to me what clutter you're talking about, and certainly the "a lot of" part?
I like the way Numista is now. It's just perfect for me, reliable, familiar, no need for a new design. Content is much more important than appearance and not every change is an improvement, often it isn't (the last part is my opinion in general, not about the change in design or even Numista's changes in general).
I think it helps if you open up the old page & compare with the new design. I'm no fan of change (for change's sake) since I've seen several user friendly platforms either get ridiculously simple or completely bogged down in clutter (neither extreme welcomed).
But I can see this proposed design's intent & it seems headed in a streamlined version which is a plus for me. I like user-friendly always so I would appreciate seeing "non-circulating" added to the +filters option.
As a night mode/ dark theme lover the slightly grey background are at least slightly better than nuclear blast white that will scorch my retinas everytime I open Numista at night ... but I also know that we will never get a dark theme because then all our pictures would look like ass.
Oh, a dark theme would be nice too, so that late at night I don't have to blind myself. Sure, images of coins with white corners would stick out like a sore thumb, but it would be overall nicer to use.
"Be kind, rewind."
Numista referee for banknotes from Greece, Crete & the Ionian Islands.
Maybe a button for coin editing could be added to every page, like proposed below - in upper right corner. No need any more to scroll to the bottom.
Maybe a button for "Delete selected messages" (along with select all and save) could also be added on top of the "Message" page. Even better solution would be window inside another or a hovering buttons, which are always visible to click. I tend to delete incoming messages when swap is rated, so I may have many messages in the box.
I am no expert on web programming, but here is one more - any chance to widen the screen:
...which would be very interesting for gallery view...
in my case from 3 columns to 5 (or at least 4).
A clearer distinction for Notgeld should also be implemented. These are all tokens, same as Tatarstan (as many people say) - though this thread is not meant to discuss this - feel free to open another one or comment many already opened. Should tokens, which were state issued and used for material exchange (not for a service), be accepted on Numista as legal tender and there for be included in coins and banknotes group? Based on forum discussions, this still seems to be a pertinent question.
Along, maybe a new dashboard should be implemented, where user can see all pieces in collection, similar to "My collection" page - currently you have to switch between coins&tokens and notes. Row for coins, row for tokens, row for notes, etc, showing only when at least one piece from any group is added in collection.
Banknotes badly need a new section, called "Security measures", as most of the notes have. I would prefer much order in this section, like a table with picture on left and comment on right and not just an open all-you-can-add comment field.
Quote: "Xavier"Thank you mikimaus for your many suggestions. They are all worth being followed up, separately from the change related to the new design.
Notgeld should be under 'Community & Local Currencies'.
Xavier, I think you should have a separate 'Postal Orders' section - which I am more than happy to help contribute to.
For all confirmed swaps one more intermediary segment could be "Sent".
For all only not yet rated swaps, a registered post code could be added instead of lettering "Sent" in case it exist - preferably added by user (with possibility to edit it). The code has a direct link to outer site as already in messages - so no need to go to the swap page and search for the link.
In general, I like how the newly proposed version looks from my tablet; however, I am not a fan of the view from my laptop--the left and right sides seem too... empty:
Basically: I prefer the corduroy background. Depending on the devise, I get a different amount of corduroy. Viewing from my tablet with more height than width, there is no background; viewing from my tablet with more width than height, there is a little bit of the background; and viewing from my laptop, there is the most view of the background.
By removing the background, there seems to be an unecessary amount of extra space. The site itself seems too small for the screen, so it is forcing a compensation by stretching the white and blue. With the background, the site is still too small for the screen, but it seems less like that fact is trying to be hidden... if that makes sense any sense.
With the background, everything seems more 'on purpose' to me.
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That aside, I have a suggestions for when one clicks 'My account'. Various options are given, in this order:
My coins - My banknotes - My swaps - Messages - Catalogue requests - My profile - My wishes - Settings - Sign out
I would prefer to see this forced into two rows rather than one, with a rearrangement to keep all 'My's together:
My coins - My banknotes - My swaps - My profile - My wishes
Messages - Catalogue requests (or just 'Requests') - Settings - Sign out
I just think it would look a little nicer if formatted like that.
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And I am not seeing a 'Verification' tab anywhere on the new layout (for referees). I presume that would also be listed under 'My account', but to me, that would seem a little hidden.
Without clicking the 'My account', there are various options available:
On either side, viewed from both my laptop and tablet, there is plently of room for a future 'Tokens' tab, which seems good to me.
But could a 'Verifications' tab also fit in that line (only visible to those it applies to)? I feel like that would make the verifications less hidden. Or possible something like a 'Requests' tab that includes both 'Catalogue requests' and 'Catalogue verifications' (the former being visible for everyone; the latter being only visible for those it applies to).
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And... those are all the comments I have. Everything else looks very nice to me.
mikimaus "Paper tokens"- in Yugoslavia we had such paper bills for gasoline, they were called "bon" for x value of Dinars."
The terms for such concepts are 'coupons' or 'vouchers.' Some company currency credits have been referred to as scrip.
I have seen 'Notgeld' referred to as local/community currency but it was initially issued in Germany/Austria under political emergencies (& can take many forms such as leather & other substrates).
A general index on banknote security features might also be helpful such as:
a) serial number (increased & vertical fonts)
b) micro printing
c) watermark & paper composition
d) security strips
e) holograms,
etc
Quote: "mikimaus"I am no expert on web programming, but here is one more - any chance to widen the screen:
...which would be very interesting for gallery view...
in my case from 3 columns to 5 (or at least 4).
LP
Hi
One more proposal, I may be wrong here and this cannot be done. User can set how many pieces are shown in the gallery display. So very often the last slot on the bottom (on right) of the gallery display is empty (vacant). is it possible to integrate a code, that in case of a break between same currency or country, an extra or two extra (or now three extra) pieces are shown?
This way the place in last row on the screen is better used up.
LP
You can do that already you have to click on the pie-chart segments.
Edit: It works also when clicking on the text, the cursor just doesn't change to show that.
When I click on a pie chart segment or text, nothing happens. My idea was to click on, for example, VF and get a listing showing all coins marked VF in my collection. Or click on copper and see all of my copper coins an so forth.
Quote: "Sulfur"I would prefer to see this forced into two rows rather than one, with a rearrangement to keep all 'My's together:
My coins - My banknotes - My swaps - My profile - My wishes
Messages - Catalogue requests (or just 'Requests') - Settings - Sign out
I just think it would look a little nicer if formatted like that.
This separation looks a bit artificial to me. Could you please explain the logic?
Even the messages, the requests and the settings could be My messages, etc. Only "Sign out" is clearly different.
Quote: "Sulfur"And I am not seeing a 'Verification' tab anywhere on the new layout (for referees). I presume that would also be listed under 'My account', but to me, that would seem a little hidden.
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But could a 'Verifications' tab also fit in that line (only visible to those it applies to)? I feel like that would make the verifications less hidden. Or possible something like a 'Requests' tab that includes both 'Catalogue requests' and 'Catalogue verifications' (the former being visible for everyone; the latter being only visible for those it applies to).
My initial idea was to have the Verifications in the My account menu, similar to the Catalogue Requests.
Moving them in the general menu seems not very logical to me, since they are linked to what you can do with your account, and every account would have a different view. Also, this menu line is already quite packed on mobile (and it will be even more packed with tokens in the future), so I would prefer keeping as little items as possible.
An alternative would be to move the link to the "Coins" or "Banknotes" pages, which replace the current "Catalogue" menu. Here is what that page looks like so far:
As you can see it merges the current "Browse coins" and "Search coins" pages and it provides a link to the "latest entries". What do you think about having the link to your requests and your request verifications on this page instead of in the menu?
Quote: "GoldenGarfield"Purely aesthetically, I think it should be a bit more minimalistic.
I tried to simplify the current design, while keeping . Do you have some concrete suggestions to improve the proposed design? Or do you have some examples of "minimalistic" website designs from which I could take inspiration?
Quote: "GoldenGarfield"Purely aesthetically, I think it should be a bit more minimalistic.
I tried to simplify the current design, while keeping . Do you have some concrete suggestions to improve the proposed design? Or do you have some examples of "minimalistic" website designs from which I could take inspiration?
images and serifed fonts should be kept to a minimum (I know the catalogue and forums don’t use serifs but the Numista logo still does) and a Numista dark mode would be amazing. Not only that, but the icons that appear when writing a forum post certainly need to be updated for the 2020s. Maybe somewhat resembling the ones on Apple Pages or Microsoft Word... current Numista icons
current Pages icons
current Word icons
Quote: "Xavier"This separation looks a bit artificial to me. Could you please explain the logic?
Even the messages, the requests and the settings could be My messages, etc. Only "Sign out" is clearly different.
From my laptop, everything is in one line, aside from Sign out, which is on the next line; from my tablet, the last three items are in a separate line; and from my phone, everything is on its own line (only thought to look from my phone just now).
The separation is just a way of grouping by wording. If the wording is changed to 'My messages', 'My requests', and 'My settings', I think keeping them all on the same line would look nice, regardless of the device.
But assuming the wording is changed so everything is a 'My', 'Sign out' is still different, so that might still look better if it were on its line, at the bottom.
Quote: "Xavier"My initial idea was to have the Verifications in the My account menu, similar to the Catalogue Requests.
Moving them in the general menu seems not very logical to me, since they are linked to what you can do with your account, and every account would have a different view. Also, this menu line is already quite packed on mobile (and it will be even more packed with tokens in the future), so I would prefer keeping as little items as possible.
An alternative would be to move the link to the "Coins" or "Banknotes" pages, which replace the current "Catalogue" menu. Here is what that page looks like so far:
As you can see it merges the current "Browse coins" and "Search coins" pages and it provides a link to the "latest entries". What do you think about having the link to your requests and your request verifications on this page instead of in the menu?
Seeing this from my phone, I can agree it is quite packed on that small screen, so within the general menu would likely not look the best.
With that being said, I do think links to the requests and verifications would look nice on those pages. That could also make it possible to segragate requests for coins and for banknotes (the coins has a link for coin verifications; the banknotes has a link for banknote verifications), which I think would be nice to see.
In between, the button "Home" (first on left) and "Numista" (on top) are both linked to the same main page, maybe "Home" could be removed.
And here's another bone to chew on...
I guess there should also be priorities regarding the type of mobile device you log in. For instance, if logging in with a smart phone as the device with smallest screen area, "Numista" main page link at the top left (currently second BIG row), "Profile/Acount Settings/Sign out" (as already is) at top right and in the middle with whats left of the screen a "Search window" (thru complete database? not just coins/tokens or banknotes). Messages go to one of the boxes as follows (currently in first row).
After in the main middle part could be segmented in 6 boxes (3 x 2 in a row):
- 1st row "Catalogue" & "My collection"
- 2nd row "Exchanges" & "Messages" (both of these could have a twinkle star only when something changes in Exchanges and/or you receive new Message)
- 3rd row "Forum" & "Other" (where other means Outings, Numisdoc, Releases, etc)
Each box then has more options to go forward. I am getting old and bigger main page boxes would be nice.
I guess when accessing with mobile, user maybe does not really need to check the main page for four blue boxes, coins and banknotes at random, Outings, Top forum pics, Some figures, Latest rating (I would say definitely not), Numisdoc (already pointed in "Other") - let also other users make a statement on this one.
I also don't know if an option for full screen Numista is feasible and user (and programmer) friendly.
PS: I just like my mobile bank after-login-first-intro 6 box page, its easy to navigate forward...
- maybe there can be a horizontal alignment to the right (see red dotted line in the image above)
- I still find three search boxes on one page a bit confusing and not necessary. I don't know if there is a reason for this, but I would just keep the search box at the top. Either way, for consistent design, maybe the same symbol can be used for all the search boxes? i.e. use the magnifying glass with the text "Search..." in the box.
- And a personal preference: I am not a fan of the background images with the notes and coins. I get that they are giving some distinct identity, but I would still prefer the solid blue background we have now.
Quote: "mikimaus"Also maybe another one.
For all confirmed swaps one more intermediary segment could be "Sent".
For all only not yet rated swaps, a registered post code could be added instead of lettering "Sent" in case it exist - preferably added by user (with possibility to edit it). The code has a direct link to outer site as already in messages - so no need to go to the swap page and search for the link.
When swaps gets rated, registered post code is permanently displaced by lettering "Sent" or is not needed/visible at all. A white colour perhaps with airmail envelope edge?
https://www.123rf.com/photo_125319490_stock-vector-air-mail-envelope-vector-illustration-post-letter-vector-design-isolated-on-white-background-.html
LP
In the phase sent, all coins from this swap, assuming they were sent, don't need this reminder "I selected this year/variety in: swap XX" on the same coins in other swaps anymore. Another good argument here is in case you have two of the same doubles, and you already sent the first one, user literally has to manually check from second swap backwards whether the first swap is already finished and coin sent. Mentioned reminder is following coins till the swap gets rated, but it could follow it until "sent" phase. This new arrow should not affect the number of "Swaps on the road".
LP
Hello,
The new design is now available as an optional change by clicking "Try the new Numista design!"
Please continue sharing any feedback you may have.
As soon as it becomes more mature, it will completely replace the current design.
I miss number of unread messages from the old days (same goes for "Swap monitor"): &
I would like to see "My account" bar to be opened all the time, where page remembers my setting when toggled on or toggle off (now it hides every time automatically when leaving the page):
With all my respect... Don't act like Facebook hehe... If it ain't broke, don't fix it... The "old" (normal) design is perfect... And as a collector I like the traditional things hehe...
And the old design is showing an error... When you access a country the results are 0 coins/banknotes... You need to select the option "All" on Coin Types...
Quote: "ramgu2005"And the old design is showing an error... When you access a country the results are 0 coins/banknotes... You need to select the option "All" on Coin Types...
I’m going to report the error in a new thread soon actually. I have it too.
Quote: "mikimaus"Hi
I miss number of unread messages from the old days (same goes for "Swap monitor"):
&
Yeah, that's a little bit of a pain not being able to see the total amount of unread messages. Is there any chance this could be added back? Also, the background picture does look a tiny bit too busy. That aside though, looks good!
"Be kind, rewind."
Numista referee for banknotes from Greece, Crete & the Ionian Islands.
Quote: "ramgu2005"And the old design is showing an error... When you access a country the results are 0 coins/banknotes... You need to select the option "All" on Coin Types...
Hello,
Thanks for reporting this issue. I just fixed it. You may need to select "All" still one more time.
I'd prefer to stay with an old design - it is more user-friendly. The new one requires more clicks to reach some parts of the site....
Is it possible to allow to create personalized quick access panel? Now I have quick access panel with 6 links (Coins, Banknotes, Swaps, Forum, Numisdoc, Outings) where I never use 3 of them. I'd like to be able to add Swap monitor, My coins and maybe Profile instead of Banknotes, Numisdoc and Outings....
Also it would be great to have a quick access to messages via icon (e.g. envelope with the amount of unread messages) and settings.
My personal list of scammers from Numista: erniemix, yvain, CassTaylor
I once mentioned this option but it went unnoticed: why not adding the option "hide" alongside a collector's profile. It would facilitate future searches for swap partners if the ones who turned to be not interesting or not interested could be hidden.
Quote: "brismike"A small bug I have found. When I look at the old design coin pages for Australian coins it shows both Australian Referees at the bottom of the page.
But the new design only shows one referee?
Hello,
Only Australian Coin Info is the referee for the whole Australian section, including Australia and Colonial Australia. That's why only his name shows up there, independently of which design version you choose. Your name appears only when looking at the Australia sub-issuer. Probably that's something which can be improved.
Quote: "Dejan"I once mentioned this option but it went unnoticed: why not adding the option "hide" alongside a collector's profile. It would facilitate future searches for swap partners if the ones who turned to be not interesting or not interested could be hidden.
This would be a new feature, independent of the change of design. Could you please open a separate thread to track it?
Visually it is better for me. But the old design is faster for me to do things.
It would be better if I don't have to click on "My Account" to access the remaining menu, just display them all will make it more comfortable
Anyway, I don't know where to access my catalog edits in the new design.
There are some points of concern I have with the new lay-out:
My coins/my collection is hidden away behind My Account. It takes an extra step to reach it, but it is the sole reason why I'm here on this site. It should be accessible in one click.
The Swaps option is not really logical. The Swap Monitor should be the point of entry. From there, I can manage my current swaps, but I should also be able to initiate a new swap.
I want to be able to disable the Banknotes section. I don't do anything with banknotes, so I want to be able to hide them alltogether.
It's not very clear that I have a new message waiting when I'm on the homepage. The little green dot is not noticed on first glance.
The breadcrums are incorrect when I open a country from the coins menu. For instance, when I open Afghanistan, the breadcrumb says Numista > Coins > Afghanistan, but that should be Numista > Coins, as it has no use to link to the current page.
Another 'issue' with the breadcrumbs. When I open a coin directly from the Coins at random on the homepage, the breadcrumb shows Numista > Coins > Country, although I came directly from the homepage. This also happens when I open a coin from the forum. There is no link to the forum post in the breadcrumbs, and that's what you want to use breadcrumbs for, to trail the path you took to get somewhere.
In My Account -> My collections: The dropdown for the color of the collection is empty
On the homepage, there are big banners stating "Catalog of World Coins & Banknotes" and "Manage your Collection". They suggest direct links to those functions, but they're not.
Also on the homepage, in the middle I get a "Register for free" button and a "Login" button, although I'm already logged in.
The new design feels a bit 'incoherent': There are too many different colors in the design. There is the light blue (#DFEEFB) of the top bar, the light blue (#D9F4FF) in Numisdoc and Outings, the blue (#006DA8) of the links, unless they're visited, then they're purple (#60E). Then there's the blue of the buttons (#000088), the blue (#ACD2F5) of the border in a topic reply, the blue/gray (rgba(255, 255, 250, 0.5)) of the searchbox in the topbar and there's the blue/gray (#EEEEF8) of the alternating rows in the forum.
Another 'incoherent' design decision: some pages have banners, others don't. If you compare Swaps, Forum and Numisdoc, you get the feeling they don't belong to the same page.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of a new design, but I think this design is not good enough to take this community to the 'next level'.
As for myself, i like new design and will be using. Just for a quick glance, what is really annoying is an extra click when want to go ie to my coins. This whole task bar should be locked and visible.
Hello!
I like the new design, feels more modern and with a few tweaks it will provide for a better experience on the website.
A few things I would like to point out are:
- My Coins and My Banknotes feel a bit hidden when you have to click on the My account button to get to them
- Same for the Swap Monitor. Should be accessible through the Swaps tab.
- Feels like Numisdoc should get some more love too. It is underused and a better structure could spark more use of it.
- This might be more of a new future, but as a referee for Ancient Greece I have alot of issuers to work on and this is something I would save a lot of time on. A "Favourite" option for issuers and countries and for "Create a new coin page" on the top of the country list would be very handy. I guess a good space for it would be beside the "Verify catalogue requests" tab.
Best regards,
Stavros
Referee for Ancient Greece, Norway and the Kingdom of Cyprus
Quote: "brismike"A small bug I have found. When I look at the old design coin pages for Australian coins it shows both Australian Referees at the bottom of the page.
But the new design only shows one referee?
Hello,
Only Australian Coin Info is the referee for the whole Australian section, including Australia and Colonial Australia. That's why only his name shows up there, independently of which design version you choose. Your name appears only when looking at the Australia sub-issuer. Probably that's something which can be improved.
Thanks for the reply Xavier, I didn't realise I wasn't the Referee for both of the Australian sections. I must admit I have never had to do anything with the Australia Colonial section, it must be very stable.
Unlike the section I do look after which is a massive moving target. :)
Cheers Mike
Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
I couldn't find the Verification tab on the new version - or any other tabs that has with modification requests to do. I like how the Coins and Banknotes catalogues are separated, but I can't find any banknote at all in the catalogue.
i like the new design, but i miss the topic "My swap list". Its not in My Account.
But maybe my old eyes deceived me and somebody could give me a hint?
Why isnt the topic "my account" always expanded or at least in the last state i left the main menu?
Is there a way to permanently see the My account so we do not have to toggle to it each time? Or eliminate the first page completly and just have My account once you are signed in?
It seems that after some time the header picture will be gone, because not enough users expressed the need for it.
Still I dare to express my wish to have a mechanism to turn on the picture as a legacy feature for people who are used to it, even when it will be turned off for the rest of users.
My coins/my collection is hidden away behind My Account. It takes an extra step to reach it, but it is the sole reason why I'm here on this site. It should be accessible in one click.
Understood, and many people shared the same feedback. I need to think about how to have it accessible via a single click.
The Swaps option is not really logical. The Swap Monitor should be the point of entry. From there, I can manage my current swaps, but I should also be able to initiate a new swap.
Yes, it totally make sense.
I want to be able to disable the Banknotes section. I don't do anything with banknotes, so I want to be able to hide them alltogether.
I'm not sure I want to make the menu customizable, but I'll think about it.
It's not very clear that I have a new message waiting when I'm on the homepage. The little green dot is not noticed on first glance.
I made the green dot slightly bigger. Hopefully this will be enough.
Another color like orange might be more visible, but I would like to keep the same color for the number of unread message and swaps (so it is obvious what the dot represents), and orange text on light blue doesn't have enough contrast.
The breadcrums are incorrect when I open a country from the coins menu. For instance, when I open Afghanistan, the breadcrumb says Numista > Coins > Afghanistan, but that should be Numista > Coins, as it has no use to link to the current page.
I changed so that the country name is not a link and shown in grey. The parent sections (if any) are still clickable.
Another 'issue' with the breadcrumbs. When I open a coin directly from the Coins at random on the homepage, the breadcrumb shows Numista > Coins > Country, although I came directly from the homepage. This also happens when I open a coin from the forum. There is no link to the forum post in the breadcrumbs, and that's what you want to use breadcrumbs for, to trail the path you took to get somewhere.
The breadcrumb helps to understand the structure of the website, not showing your navigation history. The link from the homepage is just a shortcut to access the Coins section, where the coin page belong to.
In addition, this would not be practicable with the forum for instance, as you could have a very long chain of forum topics.
In My Account -> My collections: The dropdown for the color of the collection is empty
This is fixed.
On the homepage, there are big banners stating "Catalog of World Coins & Banknotes" and "Manage your Collection". They suggest direct links to those functions, but they're not.
It would be difficult to make them links, as I would not be able to decide whether to link to the coin catalogue or the banknote catalogue. I believe the links below and in the menu are enough.
Also on the homepage, in the middle I get a "Register for free" button and a "Login" button, although I'm already logged in.
The buttons are not visible for logged in people anymore.
The new design feels a bit 'incoherent': There are too many different colors in the design. There is the light blue (#DFEEFB) of the top bar, the light blue (#D9F4FF) in Numisdoc and Outings, the blue (#006DA8) of the links, unless they're visited, then they're purple (#60E). Then there's the blue of the buttons (#000088), the blue (#ACD2F5) of the border in a topic reply, the blue/gray (rgba(255, 255, 250, 0.5)) of the searchbox in the topbar and there's the blue/gray (#EEEEF8) of the alternating rows in the forum.
Indeed there are many variants of blue. I'm not sure this is really an issue, as they are mainly used in different contexts:
- The light blue #dfeefb for large flat areas
- The other light blue #d9f4ff was indeed not useful, I replaced it by #dfeefb
- Links have their own color, so they can be easily identifiable (#006da8 and #6600ee)
- Buttons and menu items have a dark blue #000088 to stand out
- The color #acd2f5 is mostly a remnant form the old design. I just replaced most occurrences by the light blue #dfeefb. I still kept it for several borders, as it looks the same as the light blue while having a better contrast. #dfeefb for areas, #acd2f5 for border.
- Alternate rows on the forum use #eeeef8 and alternate rows of the collection use #f0f8ff. I believe #f0f8ff looks nice in this context, as it looks similar to #dfeefb while being less present. I don't like the color #eeeef8, but I could not find a better color allowing an equivalent contrast.
Another 'incoherent' design decision: some pages have banners, others don't. If you compare Swaps, Forum and Numisdoc, you get the feeling they don't belong to the same page.
Numisdoc would deserve some more "love" as commented by Stavros. For the moment I'll keep it as-is and I can tackle it in a later phase.
Thank you for addressing all my issues. Although I don't agree to everything, I accept that you have to make choices. One little thing though:
Quote: "Xavier"It's not very clear that I have a new message waiting when I'm on the homepage. The little green dot is not noticed on first glance.
I made the green dot slightly bigger. Hopefully this will be enough.
Another color like orange might be more visible, but I would like to keep the same color for the number of unread message and swaps (so it is obvious what the dot represents), and orange text on light blue doesn't have enough contrast.
The bigger dot is not clearer. I think you have to bring in something more contrasting. Why not red, which really jumps out?
Quote: "ngdawa"Does anyone know where I find the tab for validating requests and see statuses on my own requests? These seems to have disappeared. Thanks!
Quote: "ngdawa"Does anyone know where I find the tab for validating requests and see statuses on my own requests? These seems to have disappeared. Thanks!
Would like to suggest a slight change to the user's menu.
Currently we have My coins | My banknotes | Swap monitor | Messages | Profile | My wishes | Settings | Sign out
I'd say re-arranging and changing the label for some choices would be a bit more logical: My coins | My banknotes | My swaps | My wishes | Messages | Settings | Profile | Sign out
I just saw the new design.... I second others in that I'm here to see MY COINS, MY BANKNOTES, MY SWAPS, MY MESSAGES, even MY PROFILE... It's really bad design that they are hidden under "my account". These MUST BE a single click away. I won't use this new design until this is fixed.
Otherwise I like that it is cleaner.
The menu options could be made in a smaller font so they take less space up top.
Quote: "smoked_caramel"Would like to suggest a slight change to the user's menu.
Currently we have
My coins | My banknotes | Swap monitor | Messages | Profile | My wishes | Settings | Sign out
I'd say re-arranging and changing the label for some choices would be a bit more logical:
My coins | My banknotes | My swaps | My wishes | Messages | Settings | Profile | Sign out
Quote: "smvdbrink"The bigger dot is not clearer. I think you have to bring in something more contrasting. Why not red, which really jumps out?
I made a try, red works as well. I just fear it can be understood as if something wrong occurred, which is not the case.
The green dot works fine, so I see no point in changing its colour. I thought it was a good size and good colour. Red could, just like Xavier said, be understood as if something went wrong, so I would avoid that. But personally I liked the green dot.
The new design has a light and modern feel. Looks spacious.
The drop down menus in the old design were good, please keep them.
The My collection tab & swaps tab should be retained.
Edit: Apologies, just explored the my account tab - perfect.
Quote: "smvdbrink"The bigger dot is not clearer. I think you have to bring in something more contrasting. Why not red, which really jumps out?
I made a try, red works as well. I just fear it can be understood as if something wrong occurred, which is not the case.
The green dot works fine, so I see no point in changing its colour. I thought it was a good size and good colour. Red could, just like Xavier said, be understood as if something went wrong, so I would avoid that. But personally I liked the green dot.
Now the dot is red, and really small. It's not even a dot, just a red mark, barely visible. Why did you change it? The green dot was way better.
When using laptop, I usually have vertical split screen. In case of full screen, "search" is available:
when in split screen mode, "search" is not visible:
From user friendly point of view the "search" should always be visible untill there is really no more place left to squeeze it in.
I always find myself resisting change and I also felt that the old Numista site was perfect, but I'm forcing myself to try the new site design and I must say that it has won me over very quickly. I think you are moving the look and feel of Numista in a very positive direction.
There are three things that bother me about the new design, all mentioned by other people before me in this thread.
1. I really think "My Collection" should go back into the primary menu, and not have to be revealed by clicking on "My account". This is because, 90% of the time, that is the first thing I click on when I come to Numista.com. I think it should be visible immediately. I also don't really think that it is "account" related, which to me would be more "account admin" functionality.
2. The background pictures under section headings and some content blocks are not so cool. They are a little bit busy and distracting and they run contrary to the rest of the minimalist design.
3. The new search mechanism doesn't feel right and I think the catalogue search should be a separate link, like it was before, rather than included in the generic search box. My searches are usually quite structured and I want to be able to get to the "advanced" search functionality before I have to do a "simple" search. And I don't want my advanced search parameters to work as filters because I often keep the search form open and change only one or two settings as I process a batch of coins. The new design with the "filters" requires me to make an extra click each time.
So, I'm very big fan of the new, wider, more minimalist design. I think it really is beautiful and I love having more horizontal space. However, the new menu structure and the search functionality are not great for me, so I shall be going back to the old design for now.
I like parts new design features. Personal opinion:
- for a new, modern feeling, from my point of view, text font and colors would definitely have to be changed. I understand the "historic" aspect of the logo font "numista", but - to take a general example - even soccer clubs have adapted their logos over time. But as I see that their are mixed opinions on that topic, I would prefer at least a dark design as well
Suggestion for improvement of the user experience:
- Especially when scrolling down a long forum entry, I would very much prefer that the header bar always stays on top, no matter where I am on the site. This way, changing to my swaps or any other part of the website would be much easier.
- I do not understand why all "my personal parts" of the header bar (number of any changed swaps, number of messages etc) are hidden now. Especially when I just want to take a short look at the site when I do not have much time, I simply look out for the numbers of changed swaps and messages. Just the red dot next to the "my account" icon is not enough from my point of view. Would definitely recommend to keep these numbers in the standard header bar when logging into numista.
Quote: "smoked_caramel"I'd say re-arranging and changing the label for some choices would be a bit more logical:
My coins | My banknotes | My swaps | My wishes | Messages | Settings | Profile | Sign out
This is done, except that I kept Settings after Profile. This looks more intuitive to me, but I'm happy to listen to your arguments if you think otherwise.
Quote: "BMPJ"Is there a way to permanently see the My account so we do not have to toggle to it each time? Or eliminate the first page completly and just have My account once you are signed in?
The menu "My account" can be now be pinned so that it stays open on all pages. This is available only on desktop (not mobile), where there is enough space to do so.
Quote: "smvdbrink"The red dot is perfect! It’s really jumping out now. Thanks!
After a few days trying the red colour, I'm still not convinced. I came back to green.
Quote: "Xavier"=1emThe menu "My account" can be now be pinned so that it stays open on all pages. This is available only on desktop (not mobile), where there is enough space to do so.
That is fantastic! Such a simple change, but it brings the entire functionality of the site to life. Many thumbs up!
The one thing that has been annoying me is on the coin/banknote search. After typing in what I want to search, pressing 'Enter' opens the option to display the special keyboard rather than going through with the search. Same thing applies to any field on the 'Add filter' link: pressing Enter just opens the special keyboard.
I prefer using my mouse as little as possible (I find it faster to stick to the keyboard), but now I have to use the mouse to commence with a search.
Quote: "Sulfur"I am liking the new design so far.
The one thing that has been annoying me is on the coin/banknote search. After typing in what I want to search, pressing 'Enter' opens the option to display the special keyboard rather than going through with the search. Same thing applies to any field on the 'Add filter' link: pressing Enter just opens the special keyboard.
I prefer using my mouse as little as possible (I find it faster to stick to the keyboard), but now I have to use the mouse to commence with a search.
Quote: "Sulfur"I am liking the new design so far.
The one thing that has been annoying me is on the coin/banknote search. After typing in what I want to search, pressing 'Enter' opens the option to display the special keyboard rather than going through with the search. Same thing applies to any field on the 'Add filter' link: pressing Enter just opens the special keyboard.
I prefer using my mouse as little as possible (I find it faster to stick to the keyboard), but now I have to use the mouse to commence with a search.
I am sure it was working like this before the weekend! Maybe Xavier changed something....
Quote: "Sulfur"The one thing that has been annoying me is on the coin/banknote search. After typing in what I want to search, pressing 'Enter' opens the option to display the special keyboard rather than going through with the search. Same thing applies to any field on the 'Add filter' link: pressing Enter just opens the special keyboard.
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