Treedoc
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 14:42
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 14:42
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Going to stick my neck on the line a say its Irish.
and made of copper.
Treedoc
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 14:50
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 14:50
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Sorry forgot pictures
Mr. Midnight
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 15:20
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 15:20
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your coin is much nicer than the one on the numista page
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces126053.html
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
Treedoc
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 19:34
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 19:34
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If my one can be used to update it on the site feel free or maybe I would need to take better photo's. Not sure how it works.
ZacUK
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 20:14
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 20:14
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https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces126053.html
That link from the earlier reply is for a slightly different token ...
That is:
E. STEPHENS
1813 or 1814
Date is on obverse
DUBLIN on reverse
Yours is:
EDWD. STEPHENS
1816
Date is on reverse
No DUBLIN lettering
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ZacUK
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 20:28
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 20:28
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So - I created a new page, using your pictures and put your name underneath.
Though >
Diameter ? I guessed: 34mm
Orientation ? I guessed: Coin alignment ↑↓
What is the edge - plain or lettering ?
What does it say below the portrait ?
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces227394.html
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
Treedoc
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 21:39
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 21:39
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Wow!! That's amazing
34mm diameter is right
Here are two more pictures for the edge and name at bottom of bust
ZacUK
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 22:04
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 22:04
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Thanks - I added those images, and other information, to the new page.
Still asking what is the orientation?
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Treedoc
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 23:32
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Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 23:32
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When I look at the head side of the coin then turn it over the harp is upside down with the base of the harp at about 1 o'clock if that makes sense. Hope that's what you looking
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Mr. Midnight
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 02:00
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 02:00
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nice work.
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
Essor Prof
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 14:55
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Quote: "ZacUK" https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces126053.html
That link from the earlier reply is for a slightly different token ...
Yes it is. The 1813 and 1814 token had a different engraver: Thomas Haliday:
http://museu.ms/collection/object/69209/token-penny-tokens-19thcentury-tokens-dublin
While the engraver for the 1816 token was the Irish medallist Isaac Parkes:
http://museu.ms/collection/object/69212/token-penny-tokens-19thcentury-tokens-dublin-i-parkes
That museum has 6 pieces of the 1816 token but none as nice as
Treedoc's token.
Isaac Parker:
https://www.libraryireland.com/irishartists/isaac-parkes.php
It looks like there are eight varieties for the 1816 token (scroll down to the second last line). Maybe that's why the Fitzwilliam Museum has 6 pieces, these might be all different varieties but they only show the obverses.
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