When will this forum stop being polluted by pseudo merchants looking for suckers?
prussia 5 mark 1876B offered for swap against 24 standard 2e coins (commemos accepted, yes not a joke...)
when you find the same coin on ebay for 38 euros, negociation possible and free delivery...
moderators should ban these guys when they are reported
Status changed to Solved(Bena, 13 Dec 2019, 21:05)
I can swap such coin with EUR48 swap value in case the owner of such coin estimates the value of my coins he needs for exchange higher then I estimate. But for sure this doesn't work for 24x2EUR coins....
Quite often I meet overpriced coins from potential swap partners, but usually there are some ways to solve such situations
My personal list of scammers from Numista: erniemix, yvain, CassTaylor
i don't get it rmj? "...no comment..." I wanted you to comment, it seems you were the only one to have seen the post before it was edited by the person who posted it.
yes I get that you can find that coin on eBay for less money, but you can find many examples of it selling for more also. That is the economic market, if you are in it for the money (I.e selling an item, coin in this case) you have a bottom line - this is usually more than it cost you to acquire. This doesn't always mean this is the actual price of the set item.
we all have a value that we place on our coins, this is mainly driven by how much we all want our coins to be worth, not what we paid for them. However as long as we all understand that negotiations over the said price/swap are likely to take place, it doesn't really matter what price we put next to them.
To me it just sounds like rmj has a personal problem with Bena, or a personal problem with coins valued higher than his/hers own personal evaluation? Unless of course there was something different in the original post, which is (and no offence rmj) why I wanted you to comment?
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Unfortunately my dear "King" it would seem that this comment of yours shows a certain lack of understanding of economics.
The market value and therefore the fair value of a coin is where bid and ask meet. As a result the only pertinent offer is the lowest one.
A fair swap must necessarily be based on the fair value driven by the market, unless you voluntarily want to make gift to the other side.
This site is not meant for merchant, it is not a market place, so I expect (and I dont think that I am the only one) that members are not there to try and propose to other members what is cheaper elsewhere.
I understand that we are not necessarily sharp on the evaluation of our coins and thatwe can make mistakes (you might even be able to swap an overvalued coin for another overvalued coin and the swap still being fair, which is often the case I must say), but you will notice that it is not difficult to clearly assess the value of 24 x2 euros coins... and that is why I call this unfair behavior that should not be tolerated here.
I hope i am clear but I can provide you with more details if you really dont get the point
Quote: "Bena"I offer for swap German States silver coin.
Prussia 5 Mark 1876B silver (swap value 48 eur)
rmj, why are you writing in bold? Take a breath and read the post quoted here or go to the very top and read with an open mind... because I see this person has a coin and values it at €48. I don't get where you get this 24x2€ from? And why you get so mad at him or her? Which is why I asked in the first place, now it seems you are mad at me for standing up for someone who just posts that they have a coin for swap.
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Sorry about that, did not mean to offend you
maybe a question of vocabulary
swapping against hard cash means selling as far as I am concerned
and these guys have nothing to do here. I understand that some might select cash when swapping coins, but it is not a reason for transforming the forum into a degenerated ebay.
If the guy wants to sell his coins that is his right, he must just do it on specialized sites and leave people who consider numismatics a hobby between themselves.
rmj, Again though, where is it mentioned that they want to sell it or swap it for "hard cash" as you write?
I am now assuming (bad practice to assume, but as you didn't state what you read in the original post) that the original said something like; "swap for 24 x 2€ coins". Which was then edited out after your comment?
However, in the rules you are allowed to sell under certain circumstances. I don't think this person broke these rules to be able to offer this coin for sale or for swap for €24 x 2€ coins if they wanted to.
And no offence taken, I'm just simply trying to understand this forum post.
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Quote: "rmj"When will this forum stop being polluted by pseudo merchants looking for suckers?
prussia 5 mark 1876B offered for swap against 24 standard 2e coins (commemos accepted, yes not a joke...)
when you find the same coin on ebay for 38 euros, negociation possible and free delivery...
moderators should ban these guys when they are reported
Even though the swap value is high, I do not think the asking swap value is that much thru the roof. Either walk away or start haggling to reach an agreement. After all, he did not violate any rules here.
I've seen people selling fake coins as genuine. That's when I either inform the people what they have are fakes, or start reporting issues to moderators.
