Turgesh Khaganate [solved]

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Hello,

Recently I added a new coin to the Numista catalog (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces183407.html), and at the time it is in the Hunnic Empire section because I had no idea where it could belong. I am aware that the Sogdians in Semirechye weren't Huns, but I don't think this khaganate is an Islamic or Mongol state, either, and I just supposed it was close enough.

Anyway, could the Turgesh Khaganate exist as an individual nation in the country list? Or, if not, as a subsection of some country?
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Is that coin from the times of great Turkish khaganate, spreading from Mongolia to Europe basically?

If so, I am not sure this could be put under any country and would stand separately, effectively putting country count to 300!
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Well, I believe so – though I don’t know them or the surrounding history well enough to be sure of that; I can’t even find much info on this King Vahshutava/Wahshutawa outside numismatic context. But anyway I think the Türgesh Khaganate was a separate tribe/nation from the Göktürks (but unlike the Khazars not Islamic) and a new country would be nice!
Twopence a week, and jam every other day!
Thanks anyway, I will look into that.

BTW, Khazar khaganate was jewish. :)
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Quote: "Jarcek"
​BTW, Khazar khaganate was jewish. :)
(​But it seems only the aristocracy and the ruling elite, not the main people.)
Oh, I sort of assumed they were Muslims because of their imitative dirhams...but it makes sense now! I think one of these imitations mentioned Moses as the prophet instead of Muhammad?
Twopence a week, and jam every other day!
Yeah, it was just probably ruling class and not the whole population. Still, it was an oddity.
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"Chimera" according to Lev Gumilyov. But I'm sure you know more.
Yes, while he was praised to dig up much about Khazars, he was also scorned for antisemitism. Curious historian.
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The current dumping place for other Sogdian coins on Numista seems to be Principality of Chaghaniyan, but I'm not sure if the Semirechye issues would come under the same category.
(It does not appear that Chaghaniyan, or any of the other Sogdians, were Islamic [in some cases this is chronologically impossible], and offhand I can't think of a reason to lump Bukhara and Chach together either; we might need a separate "Sogdian states" [or similar] category, probably in the Ancients tab.)

Here's the same Turgesh type on CCF, incidentally.
Status changed to Done (Jarcek, 23 Feb 2020, 22:47)
Turgesh Khaganate was just added. <:D
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