Is this thaler original?

THANKS

To me, some of the details are off. Did you measure it and do some silver tests, etc? Weight is off by 1.5g too.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces78040.html

Quote: "harryg"​To me, some of the details are off. Did you measure it and do some silver tests, etc? Weight is off by 1.5g too.
​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces78040.html

​the weight is right as in catalog and i made magnetic test and its ok

I responded to Sody2005 who said it weighed 28g. You respond as Ayman Shalabi and say it is the correct weight. Which is it?

If we ignore its weight what is your opinion about its surface and shape

You cannot ignore the weight. If it is in as fine condition as represented in the photo provided, there is virtually no wear and no way to account for the missing 1.5 grams. Weight is weight and genuine is genuine. I already stated my opinion in my first response about suspicious details. Its as if you are desperate for it to be genuine regardless of what is being said. You decide.

Hello,
Trouble with weight is its variability.
I just searched and found:
4 thalers 1704. Range 28 to 28.6
1 for 1703. 28.4
1 for 1702. 28.5

Average 28.4 so I think our information is off. I correct it on this basis.

The 1703 has 4 rings on the arm, as mentionned by Herinek in his catalogue. So good for your coin.
Here it is. Looks like yours: http://www.lanzauctions.com/coin.php?b=0JwGIaEWaMpdbemVg4LvBMF%2FMt5%2Bis%2BMBXz%2B51smxZ0%3D&a=e%2BFWZOuR9hIXRbwxT7m3cng%2Ftgg4kG8%2BLCeiW85gAAU%3D%23n1

Looks ok but, I would not risk an opinion on genuity based on a picture. Try much better quality pics that could be enlarged to see details. But most people will say that without the coin at hand, it is difficult.

Quote: "Ecapoe"​Hello,
​Trouble with weight is its variability.
​I just searched and found:
​4 thalers 1704. Range 28 to 28.6
​1 for 1703. 28.4
​1 for 1702. 28.5
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​Average 28.4 so I think our information is off. I correct it on this basis.
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​The 1703 has 4 rings on the arm, as mentionned by Herinek in his catalogue. So good for your coin.
​Here it is. Looks like yours: http://www.lanzauctions.com/coin.php?b=0JwGIaEWaMpdbemVg4LvBMF%2FMt5%2Bis%2BMBXz%2B51smxZ0%3D&a=e%2BFWZOuR9hIXRbwxT7m3cng%2Ftgg4kG8%2BLCeiW85gAAU%3D%23n1
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​Looks ok but, I would not risk an opinion on genuity based on a picture. Try much better quality pics that could be enlarged to see details. But most people will say that without the coin at hand, it is difficult.

​thanks you soo much you really help me ..

i would say no and this coin would be suss to me especially due to the rim, with copies the rim are a detail that counterfeiter take no attention to if they are just trying to fake bullion coins.

Quote: "Ryurazu"​i would say no and this coin would be suss to me especially due to the rim, with copies the rim are a detail that counterfeiter take no attention to if they are just trying to fake bullion coins.

Consider that your opinion is to confirm the authentic piece?

It looks very fake

What your opinion depends on when you say fake?

Quote: "Sody2005"​What your opinion depends on when you say fake?

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Hello friends.
I will try to explain what phenomena in the world of numismatics-and that's why she's so beautiful!
It's no problem to be weight 28 g ,and also be made of pure silver.
It is not your coin, this comes from the mint in Kremnica ( SVK) , it is an official memorial copy ,limited to 300 pcs, of pure silver (Ag-925) and weight 28 g , sold as a replica - for 100 $ (recalculated).
This mint has been working for 700 years, and has all dies and machines and the original.


https://www.obezne-mince.cz/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1366

just look at the patina for illustration, and that's what puts me on your cointhe , front of the coin - well maybe, but the reverse -patina is fake to me !

Compare, look, just my attempt at understanding. I will even add a local auction to compare. Perhaps I helped a little.
https://www.aurea.cz/Katalog38/38kat1051.htm
https://aurea.livebid.cz/auction/aurea_12eA/category/leopold-i-ferdinand-v
Ivan