Gothic Crown 1853

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Hi I am brand new to coin collecting! I have a Gothic Crown 1853 ...it looks really good doesn't appear to have any stamp / mark of a replica coin maker. It weighs 28.8 grams and measures a tag over 38mm and has a milled edge. Can anyone give me any information that would help me come to some conclusion. Thank you in advance.
michelle cullen
Hello and welcome!

If your coin is genuine then it's worth easily 5 figures; but the first step towards letting us help in that determination is to post a picture of your coin. ;)
Hi thanks for your kind reply. Here are the pictures as requested you will notice some slight damage above crown and edge but this does not weaken the coin one bit its totally solid as if without the damage. Looking forward to your reply.

michelle cullen
And thank you for the photos! :`

Sadly this seems to be a counterfeit, and not a very sophisticated one at that. :(
Hi
Would you be so kind and explain why you came to this conclusion? It may be valuable information for me in the future on deciding a good coin from a bad one! ha ha
michelle cullen
Gothic crowns were edge lettered. Some proofs were plain edged. Reeded edged were not made.
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Quote: "Oklahoman"​Gothic crowns were edge lettered. Some proofs were plain edged. Reeded edged were not made.
​Hi

According to the information listed on this site for Gothic Crown 1847 it had 3 different edges milled/smooth/and inscription. The coin I have is Gothic Crown 1853 this coin according to the information listed on this site has 2 different edges smooth & milled.
michelle cullen
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32852038251.html?trace=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail&productId=32852038251&productSubject=GREAT-BRITAIN-Victoria-1853-AR-Gothic-1-Crown-Silver-Plated-Copy-Coin
You mean this page in the catalogue? I checked Spink (= Sp) #3883-3884 and there's no mention of milled edges. There is none either on Tony Clayton's page.

So it is a mistake in the catalogue to list a milled variety. I suppose the milled edge on your coin is to make it clear it's only a copy.
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Quote: "Camerinvs"​You mean this page in the catalogue? I checked Spink (= Sp) #3883-3884 and there's no mention of milled edges. There is none either on Tony Clayton's page.

​So it is a mistake in the catalogue to list a milled variety. I suppose the milled edge on your coin is to make it clear it's only a copy.
NGC agrees - "SEPTIMO" on edge, and plain edge.
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I just sent a request to have the two lines removed from the coin page.

Also, the mintage for the 1853 issue is unknown. It looks like the number of 460 was made up.
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@Camerinvs, thank you for your modification requests, PM sent.
All, the Numista listing for the Gothic Crown has now been updated to remove any mention of a milled edge, since this was clearly an error. With regard to the mintage for the 1853 Proofs, the figure of 460 is shown in my 2013 copy of the Coin Yearbook published by the Coin News people. I will email the publishers in an attempt to verify this data before it is removed.
Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.

Former coin and banknote catalogue referee.
Thanks radrick007.

As I said in my reply to your PM, eventually someone could add a note to the effect that copies exist with a milled/reeded edge.
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Quote: "Camerinvs"​Thanks radrick007.

​As I said in my reply to your PM, eventually someone could add a note to the effect that copies exist with a milled/reeded edge.
​I would say that putting this would be nonsense, as will we be starting to describe all variations of every fake coin?
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Quote: "Camerinvs"​Thanks radrick007.
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​​As I said in my reply to your PM, eventually someone could add a note to the effect that copies exist with a milled/reeded edge.
​​I would say that putting this would be nonsense, as will we be starting to describe all variations of every fake coin?
​Have I said all variations of every fake coin? Adding a note in cases like this will educate the public in general and save everyone some time.

Under # 3883 Spink writes "Beware of recent forgeries". Why don't you write them to tell them it's nonsense?
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looks lie a replica/forgery
http://www.silvercoins.com/fake-silver-coins-14-ways-to-spot-counterfeits/
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