Hello banknote lovers!
I have a few questions for you and for the sake of discussion.
First of all, obvious question. Would you want banknotes on Numista?
Secondly, how do you imagine that being done? Where they will be placed, new country list, new site etc.?
Third question - would you be interested in making it happen? This means building entire catalogue from scratch, that means quite a lot of work.
Banknotes on Numista - questionnaire
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About time! 
1) YES! (duh!)
2) Either new country list below the coins one or new sister site (Notista) altogether.
It would be fairly confusing to try to list banknotes in the same issuers as coins since some issuers share banknote issues while having different coins of their own, or vice versa (e.g. Banque d'Indochine notes issued for the French Pacific until the 1960s). Even on Colnect they have different issuer lists for banknotes and coins.
3) I just made my 6000th edit earlier this week, sign me up!
1) YES! (duh!)
2) Either new country list below the coins one or new sister site (Notista) altogether.
It would be fairly confusing to try to list banknotes in the same issuers as coins since some issuers share banknote issues while having different coins of their own, or vice versa (e.g. Banque d'Indochine notes issued for the French Pacific until the 1960s). Even on Colnect they have different issuer lists for banknotes and coins.
3) I just made my 6000th edit earlier this week, sign me up!
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1) Yes, YES, YEEEEEEEES (how load should we say this?)
2) I would prefer to keep them in the same site, so you can combine coins and banknotes in a swap. But as notes have different specifications, they get another type op page end will thus form a separate section, with separate issuers, separate statistic page (or separate section on the "my collection"-page)
3) Of course I'd also want to spend time on that catalogue (they don't seem to take up some of my suggestions I've been doing in Co**ect, I'm sure here they will be)
BTW Jarcek, what "sake of discussion" are you talking about? Is there light at the end of the tunnel or are we still looking for the entrance of the tunnel?
2) I would prefer to keep them in the same site, so you can combine coins and banknotes in a swap. But as notes have different specifications, they get another type op page end will thus form a separate section, with separate issuers, separate statistic page (or separate section on the "my collection"-page)
3) Of course I'd also want to spend time on that catalogue (they don't seem to take up some of my suggestions I've been doing in Co**ect, I'm sure here they will be
)BTW Jarcek, what "sake of discussion" are you talking about? Is there light at the end of the tunnel or are we still looking for the entrance of the tunnel?
Just call me Bram
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
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1) Do I even have to answer that? 
(The answer is ANO, btw )
2) Personally I think a new site is better, even if this mean A LOT of work. The reason for this is since just a small part of all members are interested, and would be very upset if banknotes were mixed in. I've always had a vision to do like banknotebank and omnicoin has it. One account for both sites, and a link to the ther site, without having to log out and log in again (see pic).
3) I'd gladly help to build the catalogue, but I have no knowledge in building a website. We've already had some proposals how the website and catalogue could look like.
Sign me up!
(The answer is ANO, btw )2) Personally I think a new site is better, even if this mean A LOT of work. The reason for this is since just a small part of all members are interested, and would be very upset if banknotes were mixed in. I've always had a vision to do like banknotebank and omnicoin has it. One account for both sites, and a link to the ther site, without having to log out and log in again (see pic).
3) I'd gladly help to build the catalogue, but I have no knowledge in building a website. We've already had some proposals how the website and catalogue could look like.
Sign me up!
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Quote: "Jarcek"Let't say we are looking at the tunnel.Yes! We've found the entrance
Count me in to bring torches and a pickaxe along to explore it further.
edit: totally unintended pun: "pick"axe
Just call me Bram
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
Idolenz
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Posted: 25 Jul 2019, 15:45
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1. Yes yes yes
2. In my opinion a mirror site would be best (don't know if swap engine can or should be merged)
artist impression
3. Yes, even if it's only data from catalogs (too few own banknotes)
P.S.: with ngdawa you probably already have most of the modern issues
But one question I have always with banknote sites. How do they deal with legal banknotes? Unlike coins they sometimes are copyrighted and more import high resolution scans of valid notes could be against the law
(eurion is not there for only shits and giggles).
2. In my opinion a mirror site would be best (don't know if swap engine can or should be merged)
artist impression
3. Yes, even if it's only data from catalogs (too few own banknotes)
P.S.: with ngdawa you probably already have most of the modern issues
But one question I have always with banknote sites. How do they deal with legal banknotes? Unlike coins they sometimes are copyrighted and more import high resolution scans of valid notes could be against the law
(eurion is not there for only shits and giggles).
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Quote: "Idolenz"Unlike coins they sometimes are copyrighted and more import high resolution scans of valid notes could be against the lawWhat do you mean? That it's illegal to scan your banknote and share the scan? Don't worry, it's not.
Idolenz
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Posted: 25 Jul 2019, 18:23
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Quote: "ngdawa"What do you mean? That it's illegal to scan your banknote and share the scan? Don't worry, it's not.Do you also have something to back this up? I am realy not against this project but if I where the person where the official court orders would arrive I would like to see it black on white.
Every terms of use I have seen require low resolution images ≤72dpi and/or the word SPECIMEN plastered across the picture.
https://rulesforuse.org/
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Quote: "ngdawa"It depends on where you live and post in. https://www.mas.gov.sg/currency/Using-Images-of-Singapore-Currency
Quote: "Idolenz"Unlike coins they sometimes are copyrighted and more import high resolution scans of valid notes could be against the lawWhat do you mean? That it's illegal to scan your banknote and share the scan? Don't worry, it's not.
I am not against people who post banknotes photos. But I am against people who post those banknotes under uv lighting to display the security features. You use to see these photos from the mint. These days, they do not show the actual photo due to security reasons. I suggest people who love those uv photos to keep them out of Internet reach.
Be kind to people. Sharing is Caring. Collect what you like and not by the Crowd.
To seek for perfection, it is too painful and there is a very high price to pay. To seek for something comfortable is more easy. To seek for nothing is even more easy.
To seek for perfection, it is too painful and there is a very high price to pay. To seek for something comfortable is more easy. To seek for nothing is even more easy.
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Quote: "Idolenz"sites like banknotebank and banknote museum would've been shut down long time ago if scans of banknotes weren't allowed, as well as every single wikipedia page that displays banknotes..also, all banknote catalogue would be illegal..
Quote: "ngdawa"What do you mean? That it's illegal to scan your banknote and share the scan? Don't worry, it's not.Do you also have something to back this up? I am realy not against this project but if I where the person where the official court orders would arrive I would like to see it black on white.
Every terms of use I have seen require low resolution images ≤72dpi and/or the word SPECIMEN plastered across the picture.
https://rulesforuse.org/
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To be fair, 5 or 10 active members who want a banknote catalogue à la Numista and are willing to work for it means a lot more than X amount of dead ghost accounts not contributing anything!
And expanding into banknotes could enrich the community by drawing in notaphilists who collect solely banknotes.
And expanding into banknotes could enrich the community by drawing in notaphilists who collect solely banknotes.
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Quote: "GiannaReggio"furthermore banknotes are less than coins and so the catalogue will be smallerI have to disagree- if we take into account notgeld and local bank issues I'd estimate the "complete" banknote catalogue would be at least two or three times bigger than the coin catalogue.
Even without unofficial issues banknotes are a lot cheaper to design and issue than coins, so many entities throughout history that did not issue coins have their own banknotes.
Still, that shouldn't be a problem if we have a motivated workforce.
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Quote: "CassTaylor"Still, that shouldn't be a problem if we have a motivated workforce.which we have, no doubt!
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Quote: "ngdawa"Here in Thailand it is illegal to produce images of banknotes that are the same size as actual notes. Images that are displayed for the public must have express approval from the Bank of Thailand. That being said I don't think there is a lot of violations being prosecuted. Still it would be wiser to obtain permission and one should not assume that other sites and catalog producers have not obtained permission to use images.
Quote: "Idolenz"sites like banknotebank and banknote museum would've been shut down long time ago if scans of banknotes weren't allowed, as well as every single wikipedia page that displays banknotes..also, all banknote catalogue would be illegal..
Quote: "ngdawa"What do you mean? That it's illegal to scan your banknote and share the scan? Don't worry, it's not.Do you also have something to back this up? I am realy not against this project but if I where the person where the official court orders would arrive I would like to see it black on white.
Every terms of use I have seen require low resolution images ≤72dpi and/or the word SPECIMEN plastered across the picture.
https://rulesforuse.org/
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@Jarek any updates on this matter? 
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Jarcek
For the sake of discussion ... has anyone in the numista team made any New year resolutions regarding a banknote database?
a merry 2020 to all those collecting coins and/or banknotes.
For the sake of discussion ... has anyone in the numista team made any New year resolutions regarding a banknote database?
a merry 2020 to all those collecting coins and/or banknotes.
Just call me Bram
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
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I would like something like this like the next person, but I also completely understand why this either will take so long or will never happen at all.
Personally I wouldn't want to deal with something I have no interest in, modifying existing stuff or creating it from scratch then having to maintain and/or even expanding it.
In the last 5 years everyone of you could have learned a couple of programming languages, bought a server and maybe asked Xavier if some of the exiting stuff could be used to speed up things.
Taking a couple of pictures and measuring is the easy stuff.
Personally I wouldn't want to deal with something I have no interest in, modifying existing stuff or creating it from scratch then having to maintain and/or even expanding it.
In the last 5 years everyone of you could have learned a couple of programming languages, bought a server and maybe asked Xavier if some of the exiting stuff could be used to speed up things.
Taking a couple of pictures and measuring is the easy stuff.
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