Real or Fake chinese coin?

Hello! I want to know if this coin is fake and how it is worth...thx

Reminds me of some fakes I purchased. What is the weight and diameter?

We are talking about a coin that is supposed to be a millennium old and in a state that seems to be barely a century old, how many of us who have such coins in their collection seriously think that they are genuine?
But even there would be some calcite on parts of the coin, it would not change much the question, the genuine coins of the Northern Song are found mostly in museums

Pretty sure it’s fake

Lol... Reminds me of this video.

https://youtu.be/5fIhNtEqhF8

Half of it is fake!

A fake.
patina, hole, rim are not as we shall expect from this coin.

Hi,well,it is a real coin.I am a Chinese collector.I collect Chinses coins for 4 years.

It is a Song Dynasty coin-"咸平元宝“

Hello,

In my opinion, I'd say this coin (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces20611.html) is genuine. I don't see why it should be fake. I'm not an expert but patina is ok as well as wear and calligraphy. However, it's a very common coin, worth about 2$.

@Frenchlover : what makes you say that genuine northern song coins can mostly be found in museums? Even the genuine ones are very easy to get, the coins are quite common and cheap. I'm curious about explanations (and why the around 40 coins from the northern song dynasty I got should be fake lol). Moreover, I don't see why a millenium old coin should looks bad to be genuine. As far as i know, there are plenty of genuine roman denarius in excellent condition on the market, about which there is no reason to doubt their authenticity, and nobody is saying 'too nice to be genuine'...
I don't know what is most fearful : people who thinks everything is genuine, or people thinking everything is fake... In a sense, you're right, there is a lot of fakes on the market, but still... I'd like to have a feedback from you.

Edit : here's mine for instance

Dobrý den,
mám jednu minci koupali jsem ji na tržišti mezi starými věcmi.

L'usure, la patine, la couleur ou le prix sont rarement un gage d'authenticité.
Voir la même pièce ci dessous d'un musée américain.

La vogue de collection de Sapèques en Chine est vraiment très récente, les premiers clubs ont vu le jour dans les années 80 avec une explosion de la demande qui a créé le marché de la contrefaçon particulièrement pour les pièces d'avant la dynastie Qing.
Pour les pièces de Xianqing par exemple, tu les trouve effectivement à 2$ sur Aliexpress, le temple de la contrefaçon,

mais elles grimpent à quelques dizaines de dollar et jusqu'à 100 dollars sur ebay. Un marché justeux pour des pièces on ne peut plus simple à imiter et il faut nourir le marché des 100,000 collectionneurs chinois.
Sur les marchés en Chine, à côté des pièces Feng Shui qui s'étallent par centaines, on va trouver des faux vrais Sapèques. Ce qui m'agace dans les ventes sur internet c'est de voir ces collections de plusieurs empereurs consécutifs qui se vendent par lots, comment est-ce possible ...
Le marché des monnaies romaines est très différent, d'abord car il n'y a qu'à sortir sa poêle à frire pour en trouver, puis chacune des pièces est différente, il ne viendrait à l'idée de personne de vendre 5 pièces romaines les mêmes, lorsqu'il y a des faux fourrés d'époque, c'est encore plus intéressant, et enfin ... ce ne sont pas des pièces chinoises. Où en est la pratique de la détection en Chine ?
Bon, je fais peut-être une p'tite fixette mais j'en ai marre de regarder mes pièces Song, et Ming sans pouvoir déterminer si elles sont vrais ou fausses, et c'est une question que je ne me pose pas pour les pièces Qing, quant aux pétillantes pièces Tang, aux pièces couteaux et autres vieilleries ...
C'est pourquoi j'ai tendances à considérer comme fausses toutes les pièces Song à 2 ou 3 euros sur les sites de vente sur internet.

​Sorry, <i didn't notice that I wasn't writing in the accurate language

Wear, patina, color or price are rarely a guarantee of authenticity.
See the same coin below from an American museum.
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The collection of old Chinese coins in China is very recent hobby, first collectors clubs were launched in the 80s with an explosion of the demand that created the counterfeit market especially for coins cast before the Qing dynasty.
For Xianqing coins for example, you actually find them at $2 on Aliexpress, the temple of counterfeiting,
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but the price raises to a few dozen dollars and up to 100 dollars on ebay. A profitable market for coins that are easy to imitate and it is necessary to supply the market of 100,000 Chinese collectors.
In the markets in China, next to hundreds of Feng Shui coins, you can find fake real old chinese coins. What annoys me in web sales is to see these collections of several consecutive emperors that are sold in batches, how is it possible ...
The market of Roman coins is quite different, first because it is only necessary to take out a frying pan to find roman coins outside, then each of these coins is different, it would not come to the idea of ​​anyone to sell 5 same roman coins in a lot, and finally ... they are not Chinese coins. What's the status of the practice of electromagnetic detection of old coins in China?
Well, I might be obsessing over this but I'm tired watching my Song coins, and Ming coins without being able to determine if they are genuine or false, and this is a question I do not ask myself about Qing coins, as for Tang, Han, knives and other old stuffs ...
This is why I tend to consider all Song coins that worth 2 or 3 euros on web sales are fakes

Quote: "Latifah"​
Dobrý den,
​mám jednu minci koupali jsem ji na tržišti mezi starými věcmi.

​Korea 1892, several thousands of dollars ... if it was genuine

Quote: "Frenchlover"​​Sorry, <i didn't notice that I wasn't writing in the accurate language
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​Wear, patina, color or price are rarely a guarantee of authenticity.
​See the same coin below from an American museum.
​​
​The collection of old Chinese coins in China is very recent hobby, first collectors clubs were launched in the 80s with an explosion of the demand that created the counterfeit market especially for coins cast before the Qing dynasty.
​For Xianqing coins for example, you actually find them at $2 on Aliexpress, the temple of counterfeiting,
​​
​but the price raises to a few dozen dollars and up to 100 dollars on ebay. A profitable market for coins that are easy to imitate and it is necessary to supply the market of 100,000 Chinese collectors.
​In the markets in China, next to hundreds of Feng Shui coins, you can find fake real old chinese coins. What annoys me in web sales is to see these collections of several consecutive emperors that are sold in batches, how is it possible ...
​The market of Roman coins is quite different, first because it is only necessary to take out a frying pan to find roman coins outside, then each of these coins is different, it would not come to the idea of ​​anyone to sell 5 same roman coins in a lot, and finally ... they are not Chinese coins. What's the status of the practice of electromagnetic detection of old coins in China?
​Well, I might be obsessing over this but I'm tired watching my Song coins, and Ming coins without being able to determine if they are genuine or false, and this is a question I do not ask myself about Qing coins, as for Tang, Han, knives and other old stuffs ...
​This is why I tend to consider all Song coins that worth 2 or 3 euros on web sales are fakes

​Interesting topic.

This problem is especially abundant in the Chinese version of Aliexpress (or same thing?), Taobao. If Aliexpress is a temple, then Taobao is a monolith of the fake coins! I've seen coins selling for 0.1€ per piece, even 1€ for the whole 5-emperor set including Yongzheng. It is also incredibly easy to fake all Chinese historic coins, even the knives and special-shaped ones... what a counterfeit market China has. 99.9% of coins in Taobao are fake, which is a statistic to keep in mind whenever purchasing.

Due to Chinese laws, electromagnetic detection is not a thing yet in China.

SRL

Godd business in perspective with Taobao.
Fisrt contact is a little bit rude for a contractor who does not speak Chinese at all

This type and variety is extremely common. A fake coin will worth more than an authentic one.

If someone say "it is fake!" then you believed, another say "99% coins from Taobao are fake" and immediately you believed again, then I have nothing to comment

"1 euro for 5 emperors coins" mentioned by @SRL, actually they are decoration crafts serving as a "Feng Shui" tool or toy, not numismatic. Sellers will explicitly let buyers know they are just crafts, they are even not "copy".

Quote: "aephi"​This type and variety is extremely common. A fake coin will worth more than an authentic one...

Good to get an answer and comment from a collector who does know the subject from the inside
You know, for us, China is a little bit far away ...
For exemple, this Taiwanese seller is giving Song coins for 0.25$ each, all with the same sandy aspect, and certifies they are genuine. For an occidental point of view, 600g of Song dynasty coins should be an hoard (Wholesale lot China cash coins Song dynasty ( 960–1279 CE) 0.6 KG (1.32 pound)) !

My questions to U are:
- how can he gather so many lots ?
- Do you think they are genuine ?

Quote ​My questions to U are:
​- how can he gather so many lots ?
​- Do you think they are genuine ?
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Ancient coins come in such form from underground, the pile is called “筒子钱” (meaning "tube coins")

The procedure of separating, cleaning and identifying each coin is called "open" a pile. The coins in your picture are after "opened", rare years and varieties are picked out, so the rest of them are cheap. By showing you a picture from "opened" pile, the seller is telling you everything he's selling is common, don't expect any rare coins, so they are authentic.

Piles are abundant, especially from Tang and Song. There are also sellers selling "unopened" piles, which are like lottery, collectors buying such piles are expecting to find some rare year or varieties. Some bad sellers fake piles using common authentic coins, that will be another story.

Thanks for the info.
Opening a pile should be a game of patience and precision