Imperial Russian coin named 'teremari' in Estonian

Hello!

As a book translator I'm searching for as many possible names for a coin used in the Baltic provinces of imperial Russia in 1764. Its value was 4 rubles and its Estonian nickname was 'teremari'.
Was there an official name for this coin? Names in German? I would love to see a picture of this coin, but words help me the most. Thank you!

Can you provide a picture or more detailed description of what do you mean? There were the coins issued in 1757 named Livonez (Ливонез in Russian)

Info in German:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonese

I'm afraid I don't have more information. All I have is an Estonian name ('teremari'), a year (1764), a place (Estonia) and a value (4 rubles).

Teremari sounds like tere Mari or 'hello Mary'. 4 Rubles would have been a gold coin of around 4.5 grams.

Maybe it's just a made up name.

I think there is some mistake. The closest coin known is 4 kopeks 1757 named Livonez.

Quote: "jokinen"​Teremari sounds like tere Mari or 'hello Mary'. 4 Rubles would have been a gold coin of around 4.5 grams.
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​Maybe it's just a made up name.

​Russia was the first country with decimal system. So in 1764 and previous years there were golden coins of only 5 and 10 rubles. Local provincial issues were of copper or silver, not of gold.

Maybe that was some coin of another country that circulated in the Baltic region along with Russian coins? It could have an exchange rate of 4 rubles.

The only "Mary" on golden coins of that period was Holy Roman empress Maria Theresia, but her golden coins have other weights - 3,46 g (1 dukat) and 6,95 g (2 dukats).

Golden 2 rubles had weight 3,24 g. So 2 coins of 2 rubles weighed 6,48 g. That is approximately the weight of 2 dukats of Maria Theresia.

'tere' = Theresia, 'mari' = Maria?

Quote: "ciscoins"​The only "Mary" on golden coins of that period was Holy Roman empress Maria Theresia, but her golden coins have other weights - 3,46 g (1 dukat) and 6,95 g (2 dukats).
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​Golden 2 rubles had weight 3,24 g. So 2 coins of 2 rubles weighed 6,48 g. That is approximately the weight of 2 dukats of Maria Theresia.

​Hi colleague

Your thoughts went in the right direction, Austria's -Hungarian coins were used throughout Europe. It was paid for by Maria Theresa's ,,Theremari,, silver in Asia, Africa and America. The European noble families were related- they paid each other with the currency that dominated the market.
It's maybe a deduction-My, maybe to help.
,,Theremari,, -her coins were popular.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces95713.html -

Silver ruble-25,85 g silver 4x ruble -103,4 g approximate conversion from 1:15
it is : 103,4 g silver : 15 = 6,89 g gold


,,So-called. a two-point monetary standard was created in 1792. He set a 15: 1 ratio of gold and silver, where gold was about $ 19.35 ounce and silver was anchored at $ 1.29 ounce.,,

This could be circulated among the nobility in Europe at that time -
this coin Theremari :



nice rest of sunday Ivan

Thank you all for your replies.

Maria-Theresia looks quite attractive. In Estonia and Livonia all kinds of non-Russian coins seem to be used at the time indeed.

Was the Maria Theresia thaler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Theresa_thaler) used in the Baltic provinces at the time? Could this have had the value of 4 rubles in 1764?

The spelling Theremari seems to be very obsolete (that is: I don't get any Google hits).

Teremari... my first thought was "Terra Mariana" (the official name of mediaeval Livonia). Of course, having a coin nicknamed "Mediaeval Livonia" does make much sense--especially if the coin is from 1764. So... maybe not.

Quote: "Fransvannes"​Was the Maria Theresia thaler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Theresa_thaler) used in the Baltic provinces at the time? Could this have had the value of 4 rubles in 1764?

For the first question, ​I would say most definitely. After the capitulation of Livonia and Estonia, those two places were not using Russia's currency like they were supposed to, but rather continued to use a Thaler-based system. They relied on foreign coins as their main supply, and with the Maria Theresia thaler being so widely circulated, that was more than likely one of the types to circulate there.

With that being said, the Livonese was introduced as a Russian version of the Prussian Thaler. One Livonese was set to be (wrongly) equal to 96 Kopecks, with 96 Kopecks being equal to 0.96 Rubles. So, to answer the last question: the Maria Theresia thaler would not have circulated as a 4 Ruble piece.

As stated in an above post, 4 Rubles would be equal to around 2 Dukat, so if there was a Maria Theresia 2 Dukat piece that widely circulated, there is a possibility the Teremari could be that one.

Although, geographically speaking, the Duchy of Courland was rather close to Livonia and Estonia, and in 1764, they did in fact issue a single-year 2 Dukat piece. The Teremari could possibly be that one, although the main problem with that theory is that the Courland piece does not have Maria Theresia on it (unless, of course, Teremari does not actually stand for Maria Theresia. ).