Spain 1 Pesetas 1 coins 1947 star 59 & 60 ? ? [solved]

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World-Coins
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Posted: 29 Apr 2019, 02:13 #
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Hello !
I have found 2 coins 1 peseta and the star is 59 and the other one 60 . in numista there is no such star for the 1947 date of the coin .
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces785.html
so is these 2 coins error ?

star 59


star 60
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zegeri Catalogue referee
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Posted: 29 Apr 2019, 09:53 #
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It is clear that the date in the star has been manipulated, and quite clumsy by the way
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krezga
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Posted: 29 Apr 2019, 16:13 #
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There is the 60: Cal#86
Mr. Midnight Catalogue referee
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Posted: 29 Apr 2019, 18:48 #
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no, because Cal#86 has year 1953 on obverse, this one has 1947.

I agree with zegeri , they are not mint errors, but were modified later by a fraud.
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
krezga
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Posted: 29 Apr 2019, 19:17 #
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Upsz, sorry, need to put on my glasses :)
World-Coins
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Posted: 29 Apr 2019, 20:20 #
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Quote: "zegeri"​It is clear that the date in the star has been manipulated, and quite clumsy by the way
​Well who will do such a small job on a small 1 peseta coin in that small star to change the star year number ??B.
he must have so much time to so this tiny thing .

a little while ago i have found a 5 pesetas 1957 and the star was 77 and this is a over struck
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World-Coins
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Posted: 29 Apr 2019, 20:22 #
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Quote: "krezga"​There is the 60: Cal#86
​I thought it was the Cal#86 too but then i saw that the date was 1947 . just little human mistakes .
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World-Coins
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Posted: 29 Apr 2019, 20:26 #
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Quote: "Mr. Midnight"​no, because Cal#86 has year 1953 on obverse, this one has 1947.
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​I agree with zegeri , they are not mint errors, but were modified later by a fraud.
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​well if it is a fraud in some time we will be all careful for the fake coins that will be circulate in the world .
Like i heard something that they did start this in USA with fake coins .
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Mr. Midnight Catalogue referee
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Posted: 30 Apr 2019, 01:42 #
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Quote: "World-Coins"​
Quote: "Mr. Midnight"​no, because Cal#86 has year 1953 on obverse, this one has 1947.
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​​I agree with zegeri , they are not mint errors, but were modified later by a fraud.
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​​well if it is a fraud in some time we will be all careful for the fake coins that will be circulate in the world .
​Like i heard something that they did start this in USA with fake coins .
​yes, it is very sad, there are many many frauds in numismatics, old and new.
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
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World-Coins
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Posted: 30 Apr 2019, 21:37 #
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Yes that is really sad :(
Thank you all for your help ! i hope i do not find more of these fraud coins .
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