My post somehow wasnt posted right so here just the coin I posted
Spanish Netherlands (under the rule of the duke of Bavaria) - 1 Liard 1713 - Duke Maximilian II Emanuel https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces34289.html
Quote: "Moneytane"
I agree Phfoticus's collection is just amazing - his selection of early 18th century coins is second to none.
About the token - the occasion is likely the The Treaty of Utrecht 1713 - which ended decades of fighting between France, Austria and Britain amongst other places.
Just wait till we get to the 17th and 16th centuries, he practically did them all on his own in the last thread.
Just wait till we get to the 17th and 16th centuries, he practically did them all on his own in the last thread.
Too bad there's not more participation in these threads on this forum. The corresponding threads over at CCF (link is above) are much more active. Five coins from 1711 were posted to the 5th edition of this thread, for example.
Quote: "phfoticus"1710 -- Margraviate of Brandenburg-Bayreuth, 1/24 thaler:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces158402.html
Note: My coin is actually KM#90 which is similar to KM#125, which is in the Numiusta catalog.
The rest of us are just dropping our jaws in awe at each piece you show rather than worrying about exact numbers. Your collection is just awe inspiring.
Cass I agree, I looked at CCF's threads (Joined it) and the number of coins from the 1460s and 1470s was just amazing, I never knew coins were dated that far back!
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
From 1707 to 1709 £239,036 sterling worth of Scottish silver coin and £132,080 of foreign coin was recoined into coinage of the newly formed kingdom of Great Britain at the Edinburgh mint. This process was orchestrated by Sir Isaac Newton. The 1709 issues would be the last coins struck in Scotland, bringing an end to a coinage that had existed since the 1130s.
Crowns, Half-Crowns, Shillings and 6 pence coins were struck. Dies were prepared to strike 4d, 3d, 2d and 1d coins, but they were never used. These unused dies for the 4d(obverse only) and 2d are held in the National Museum of Scotland, alongside an obverse 6d die.
Quote: "cmaclean"1707 Anne Shilling, Edinburgh Mint
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces83892.html
From 1707 to 1709 £239,036 sterling worth of Scottish silver coin and £132,080 of foreign coin was recoined into coinage of the newly formed kingdom of Great Britain at the Edinburgh mint. This process was orchestrated by Sir Isaac Newton. The 1709 issues would be the last coins struck in Scotland, bringing an end to a coinage that had existed since the 1130s.
Crowns, Half-Crowns, Shillings and 6 pence coins were struck. Dies were prepared to strike 4d, 3d, 2d and 1d coins, but they were never used. These unused dies for the 4d(obverse only) and 2d are held in the National Museum of Scotland, alongside an obverse 6d die.
So true, I am reading abook about the History of Edinburgh and in 1706/1707 there were numerous riots in the city over the union and not everyone thought it was so wonderful, Scottish independence had been hard won 4 centuries earlier and there had been almost continual hostility between both kingdoms since. Of course there would be 40 more years of rebellion until Culloden and the highland clearances intervened, along with the rise of North Britons and Scottish intellectuals like Edward Gibbon and John Hunter.
Even more interesting was how devalued the scotch coinage was at the stage, it was pretty much 20 scotch pounds to one English. Scottish crowns of the 1670s were worth a few pence, a shilling was a copper blob and the silver crown size coins were 5 pounds!!!
Union saw the Pound sterling uniform and sadly no "Scottish" coins until the shillings of 1937.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Quote: "Moneytane"So true, I am reading abook about the History of Edinburgh and in 1706/1707 there were numerous riots in the city over the union and not everyone thought it was so wonderful, Scottish independence had been hard won 4 centuries earlier and there had been almost continual hostility between both kingdoms since. Of course there would be 40 more years of rebellion until Culloden and the highland clearances intervened, along with the rise of North Britons and Scottish intellectuals like Edward Gibbon and John Hunter.
Even more interesting was how devalued the scotch coinage was at the stage, it was pretty much 20 scotch pounds to one English. Scottish crowns of the 1670s were worth a few pence, a shilling was a copper blob and the silver crown size coins were 5 pounds!!!
Union saw the Pound sterling uniform and sadly no "Scottish" coins until the shillings of 1937.
The Scottish and English coinages were of equal value and exchangeable up to 1367. By 1603 the pound Scots was worth a twelfth of a pound Sterling. It was 13:1 by the 1690s. The 1:12 ratio was actually really convenient since 6d Sterling simply became 6s Scots once it crossed the border and vice versa. Additionally, from 1604 to 1619 the Scottish and English coinages were of an extremely uniform design, further encouraging monetary interchange. See these as an example:
This uniformity was part of James VI/I's unsuccessful attempt to politically unify Scotland and England after he acceded to the English throne. My current uni dissertation is on the reception to and 'success' of this unified coinage.
Hostility between Scotland and England had largely come to an end after the 1560s, with the success of the Scottish Reformation and Elizabeth I's intervention on the winning side of the Marian Civil War. But relations weren't exactly always cordial after that. Then you have the various Jacobite risings which would be more accurately described as a Scottish or British/English (particularly in regards to the 1715 rising) civil wars than a simple Scotland vs England ordeal.
Speaking of John Hunter, I've had the opportunity to work with his brother's (William Hunter) coin collection over the past few months as part of my internship with the Hunterian Museum. The whole collection is spectacular, I find something new everytime I look at it. The bulk of it is classical, but there is a large collection of Scottish, English and British coins. There are also some unexpected components. Last week I had a look at his collection of Massachusetts shillings. Its incredible to think that they were being collected prior to the birth of, or while the USA was in its infancy. The provenance is also incredible when you consider that William Hunter was in contact with Benjamin Franklin, Franklin even contributed to Hunter's non-numismatic collection.
Quote: "Moneytane"So true, I am reading abook about the History of Edinburgh and in 1706/1707 there were numerous riots in the city over the union and not everyone thought it was so wonderful, Scottish independence had been hard won 4 centuries earlier and there had been almost continual hostility between both kingdoms since. Of course there would be 40 more years of rebellion until Culloden and the highland clearances intervened, along with the rise of North Britons and Scottish intellectuals like Edward Gibbon and John Hunter.
Even more interesting was how devalued the scotch coinage was at the stage, it was pretty much 20 scotch pounds to one English. Scottish crowns of the 1670s were worth a few pence, a shilling was a copper blob and the silver crown size coins were 5 pounds!!!
Union saw the Pound sterling uniform and sadly no "Scottish" coins until the shillings of 1937.
The Scottish and English coinages were of equal value and exchangeable up to 1367. By 1603 the pound Scots was worth a twelfth of a pound Sterling. It was 13:1 by the 1690s. The 1:12 ratio was actually really convenient since 6d Sterling simply became 6s Scots once it crossed the border and vice versa. Additionally, from 1604 to 1619 the Scottish and English coinages were of an extremely uniform design, further encouraging monetary interchange. See these as an example:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces164918.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces52447.html
This uniformity was part of James VI/I's unsuccessful attempt to politically unify Scotland and England after he acceded to the English throne. My current uni dissertation is on the reception to and 'success' of this unified coinage.
Hostility between Scotland and England had largely come to an end after the 1560s, with the success of the Scottish Reformation and Elizabeth I's intervention on the winning side of the Marian Civil War. But relations weren't exactly always cordial after that. Then you have the various Jacobite risings which would be more accurately described as a Scottish or British/English (particularly in regards to the 1715 rising) civil wars than a simple Scotland vs England ordeal.
Speaking of John Hunter, I've had the opportunity to work with his brother's (William Hunter) coin collection over the past few months as part of my internship with the Hunterian Museum. The whole collection is spectacular, I find something new everytime I look at it. The bulk of it is classical, but there is a large collection of Scottish, English and British coins. There are also some unexpected components. Last week I had a look at his collection of Massachusetts shillings. Its incredible to think that they were being collected prior to the birth of, or while the USA was in its infancy. The provenance is also incredible when you consider that William Hunter was in contact with Benjamin Franklin, Franklin even contributed to Hunter's non-numismatic collection.
What book are you reading?
The Story of Edinburgh by John Peacock 2017 Phillimore books, more a chronicle than anything else.
I have always been fascinated by Edinburgh as I grew up in Dunedin, New Zealand - which as you know was founded by Scottish Free Church piooneers in 1848 and featured Thomas Burns a grandson of Robbie Burns.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
It was the year that Captain Kidd was caught and hanged and his corpse was placed in a gibbet at the lower reaches of Thames as a deterrent to anyone else wanting to indulge in piracy.
And we say goodbye to the 18th century and hello to the 17th century. The era of plagues, fires, endless wars, huge wigs and frockcoats.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society