Hello and greetings people. I have a question here on this particular 50 cents.
I own this 50 sen coin but when i looked at the dimensions and weight, i was taken aback. The JNDA catalog says 31.51mm. When i used my own vernier caliper to measure, i only manage to get 32mm. In my head i am thinking i must have been conned. The weight also says so instead of getting a 12.5 gram, i got a 12.7 gram.
3 Things in my head now. Either, i have a fake coin that was from history was been circulating all along, or it could be a variant that was not found or in the beginning i was conned.... anyone?
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I think you mean your coin's diameter is 30.5mm, the size of the Year 4 "small" type; can't say for sure but maybe it's the small type somehow with a Year 3 date? Doesn't look like an obvious counterfeit to me.
There are excellent forgeries of Japanese coins, but the detail on this one looks good, and the wear appears natural. It's valuable enough to get slabbed just to make sure.
Hi there, thank you for the advise. I did try to do a magnet test. It does not stick. But I Don have a slide to test.
I did try a ping test. It sounds OK to me. But I could be tone deaf... Problem is I Don have a same thing to compare and that is why I ask here for help. Infact, there are a lot of fakes out there and I paid quite a lot for this coin. I will take it as fake for now. Because if the 2 charts are off, most probably its a fake that has really been circulating ard after the currency was demonitize.
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Quote: "coincoin.com"There are excellent forgeries of Japanese coins, but the detail on this one looks good, and the wear appears natural. It's valuable enough to get slabbed just to make sure.
Yes. I will try send for grading to see. Most probably high chance its a fake.
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Quote: "coincoin.com"There are excellent forgeries of Japanese coins, but the detail on this one looks good, and the wear appears natural. It's valuable enough to get slabbed just to make sure.
Were these contemporary forgeries made to be worth 50 sen at the time, or are they modern, to be sold to the collector market for much more?
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Quote: "CassTaylor"Hello,
Your coin (dated Meiji 3) is this link:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces130757.html
I think you mean your coin's diameter is 30.5mm, the size of the Year 4 "small" type; can't say for sure but maybe it's the small type somehow with a Year 3 date? Doesn't look like an obvious counterfeit to me.
Hi Casstaylor,
That is not the correct way to read a vernier caliper. The correct way is looking at where the 0 intercepts with the line. You can see it intercepts at 32mm. And I believe this is the large type. More over, really the details and everything looks good. Even to you it looks good. So... Hmm.... You thinking what I am thinking?
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Quote: "Saber82"
That is not the correct way to read a vernier caliper. The correct way is looking at where the 0 intercepts with the line. You can see it intercepts at 32mm. And I believe this is the large type. More over, really the details and everything looks good. Even to you it looks good. So... Hmm.... You thinking what I am thinking?
To be correct, I think it is 32,28mm
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Quote: "Saber82"
That is not the correct way to read a vernier caliper. The correct way is looking at where the 0 intercepts with the line. You can see it intercepts at 32mm. And I believe this is the large type. More over, really the details and everything looks good. Even to you it looks good. So... Hmm.... You thinking what I am thinking?
To be correct, I think it is 32,28mm
Maybe. Its been like 15 years since I used it. I only know how to use the bottom. Not really sure how to used the top.
Be kind to people. Sharing is Caring. Collect what you like and not by the Crowd.
To seek for perfection, it is too painful and there is a very high price to pay. To seek for something comfortable is more easy. To seek for nothing is even more easy.
Be kind to people. Sharing is Caring. Collect what you like and not by the Crowd.
To seek for perfection, it is too painful and there is a very high price to pay. To seek for something comfortable is more easy. To seek for nothing is even more easy.
I have 2 of the exact same coin I bought from 2 separate occasions and the owner was working in Japan and they are year 4 large type. The measurement is exactly the same with your coin and with each other, 32.2 mm diameter, the weight is 12.5g. I measured the density and it was 10.0g/cm3 on a low side of 10. Magnet test and slide perfect for silver, it passes ping test too.
I also did an image overlay with a sample graded coin for both of my hooked and straight pon 本 character and they seem to both pass the test. The Numista example image was an error coin as the bead to rim gap is inconsistent, thicker at the sen 钱 and thinner at the ji 治 area
Yes, I think I will file a report on this 50 sen Meiji 4 (Large type) image on numista. I have overlayed my coins with professionally graded authentic coins on ebay for both types and they matches perfectly from the dragon engravings to the outlays.
