Censorship on numista [solved]

Thanks for censoring my criticism concerning mpcc.

i bet it was vielepile as he always sides for frenchspeaking users no matter what.

Now we are not even allowed to post our objective opinion? I am not allowed to say i will not submit coins under the curre t organisator as peculiar contradictions occured?

The organicer of mpcc pocketed in the main price himself last time. I didnt notice that but a other reputeable user.

And there is strong evidence that he also placed strong candidates against each others to increase the chances for his coins.

Every participant has the right to know these little facts before submitting to this upcoming contest and decide for their own if the want to participate in this joke.

The organisator and referee himself participates and there is some sort of clash of interests

I didn't know that the organiser of the MPCC could attend too. Maybe that shouldn't be allowed, just to prevent that there even could be suspicions that it would be any funny business behind the scene.

Maybe that shouldn't be allowed, just prevent that there even could be suspicions that it would be any funny business behind the scene.

I quite agree.

On the another issue, Hamster, I am quite sure that YOU are solely responsible for being censored.

Quote: "ngdawa"​I didn't know that the organiser of the MPCC could attend too. Maybe that shouldn't be allowed, just to prevent that there even could be suspicions that it would be any funny business behind the scene.

​Under the pressure from the public, I won't participate in MPCC anymore (as a contestant), although I do believe that I have a right to try to defend the title.

I agree that it adds too much controversy, on the other hand I really enjoyed the ride since participating in such a contest is the most fun thing to do. I spent countless hours cropping photos, counting votes and making contest as fun as possible, yet still I get a lot of criticism whatever I do. People complained that there were bad quality photos - I try to address that and then I'm criticised again. People complained that there were too many coins of the same type - I try to address that as well and I get criticised again!

Quote: "Jarcek"​Maybe that shouldn't be allowed, just prevent that there even could be suspicions that it would be any funny business behind the scene.
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​I quite agree.
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​On the another issue, Hamster, I am quite sure that YOU are solely responsible for being censored.

​why? i just humbly mentioned i wont participate because mainly of those 2 reasons and that got censored by vielepile.

@druzhynets
The issue with you being judge, organizer and participant was pointed already out last time and that you had fun "spending countless hours cropping photos, counting votes and making the contest" we all noticed as you dragged it out for an year.

I wont mention the user who pointed out that you snatched the first price yourself but after hearing that it exposed the whole contest to ridicule and lot of peculiar 1vs1 combat situations suddenly made sense.

Cant there be just one mpcc without any questionmarks?

Can you just stop?

Hamster, you've crossed the line too many times and I really wonder why you're not permanently banned yet.

Quote: "druzhynets"​​Under the pressure from the public, I won't participate in MPCC anymore (as a contestant), although I do believe that I have a right to try to defend the title.
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​I agree that it adds too much controversy, on the other hand I really enjoyed the ride since participating in such a contest is the most fun thing to do. I spent countless hours cropping photos, counting votes and making contest as fun as possible, yet still I get a lot of criticism whatever I do. People complained that there were bad quality photos - I try to address that and then I'm criticised again. People complained that there were too many coins of the same type - I try to address that as well and I get criticised again!

​i haven't participated in the last two, or three, mpcc's, so i wouldn't know what was said and not, but i can imagine that there must've been a lot of work with countless of hours spent infront of the computer..i can umderstand your feeling of ungratefulness when people complain, but remember that they have no idea the amount of work that lies behind the contest..the majority of us highly appreciate your effort, don't forget that!

Quote: "ngdawa"the majority of us highly appreciate you effort, don't forget that!

To be fair, I also agree it can look a little suspicious when the organiser participates, but I wanted to give a big ​+1 to this, as well as especially to the two posts before it. Don't let the usual spiteful detractors and troublemakers stop you from organising our best MPCC yet!

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​Hamster, you've crossed the line too many times and I really wonder why you're not permanently banned yet."


Ban me for politely pointing out wrong developments?? ?

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I never made a fuzz about the picture quality or double entries. I even defended their existence in the now censored post. So dont accuse me of issues some other users gave you feedback on. If you to strongly disagree with their opinion please adress it to them and not to me.

Quote: "druzhynets" I spent countless hours cropping photos, counting votes and making contest as fun as possible, yet still I get a lot of criticism whatever I do. People complained that there were bad quality photos - I try to address that and then I'm criticised again. People complained that there were too many coins of the same type - I try to address that as well and I get criticised again!

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A bit funny coming from the guy who criticised me the hardest when I was running the competition.

As for censorship, I agree that there does seem to be one referee in particular who wipes out comments that he doesn't like rather than comments that break the forum guidelines. I saw Hamster's comment before it went and he basically just said that he wouldn't participate in the competition because he had doubts about the way things were run. There didn't seem to be anything in his comments that broke the forum guidelines.

Instead of penalizing the guy spending many hours running the contest, why not just take away the main bone of contention - prizes? Remove those and you remove the incentive to enter coins you don't own, create fake accounts so your "cousins" can vote for your coins and all the other toxic chicanery that mars the contest each year without fail. Wouldn't it be nice to have a scandal free contest for once?

I'm sure it would be a much faster and better event if the organiser didn'y have to spend countless hours of precious free time checking for stolen photos and newly minted "cousin" accounts. It's a really nice thing to donate prizes, don't get me wrong, even if it's the same handful of donors each year. In a better world it wouldn't be an issue but unfortunately we live in this world.

I haven't entered since the very first contest, mainly because of the distasteful grubbing and cheating it encourages. However I promise that if prizes are eliminated this year I'll participate fully. I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. Give it a try for a year, if it doesn't produce a cleaner contest you've lost nothing.

Surely the acclaim of your peers means more than scoring some free silver? If not then perhaps you need to revise your life's priorities.

Gents, shall I politely invite you to stay within the limits of courtesy ?

@ Hamster: please stop thinking you are a victim of a french speaking conspiracy: you are banned (after warnings) or censored (only after several reports) when you enter in endless arguments. Full stop.

Please keep polite, friendly and comply with the policy.

@ all: whoever we are, we are all interested in coins enough to be here. We all have different manners to express our feelings, which is rather normal. Just disregard what disturbs you.

I'm open to any constructive feedback. If you have any - please provide it. I don't care about any destructive comments, though. I will run MPCC this year anyway. People liked previous MPCC and asked me to organize another one and I will do so.

Quote: "pnightingale"​Instead of penalizing the guy spending many hours running the contest, why not just take away the main bone of contention - prizes? Remove those and you remove the incentive to enter coins you don't own, create fake accounts so your "cousins" can vote for your coins and all the other toxic chicanery that mars the contest each year without fail. Wouldn't it be nice to have a scandal free contest for once?
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​I'm sure it would be a much faster and better event if the organiser didn'y have to spend countless hours of precious free time checking for stolen photos and newly minted "cousin" accounts. It's a really nice thing to donate prizes, don't get me wrong, even if it's the same handful of donors each year. In a better world it wouldn't be an issue but unfortunately we live in this world.
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​I haven't entered since the very first contest, mainly because of the distasteful grubbing and cheating it encourages. However I promise that if prizes are eliminated this year I'll participate fully. I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. Give it a try for a year, if it doesn't produce a cleaner contest you've lost nothing.
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​Surely the acclaim of your peers means more than scoring some free silver? If not then perhaps you need to revise your life's priorities.
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​Thank you for the wise words. I can organize the contest without any prizes too. What I want is a fun and easy going competition without a shade of controversy.

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Quote: "pnightingale"​Instead of penalizing the guy spending many hours running the contest, why not just take away the main bone of contention - prizes? Remove those and you remove the incentive to enter coins you don't own, create fake accounts so your "cousins" can vote for your coins and all the other toxic chicanery that mars the contest each year without fail. Wouldn't it be nice to have a scandal free contest for once?
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​​I'm sure it would be a much faster and better event if the organiser didn'y have to spend countless hours of precious free time checking for stolen photos and newly minted "cousin" accounts. It's a really nice thing to donate prizes, don't get me wrong, even if it's the same handful of donors each year. In a better world it wouldn't be an issue but unfortunately we live in this world.
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​​I haven't entered since the very first contest, mainly because of the distasteful grubbing and cheating it encourages. However I promise that if prizes are eliminated this year I'll participate fully. I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. Give it a try for a year, if it doesn't produce a cleaner contest you've lost nothing.
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​​Surely the acclaim of your peers means more than scoring some free silver? If not then perhaps you need to revise your life's priorities.
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​​Thank you for the wise words. I can organize the contest without any prizes too. What I want is a fun and easy going competition without a shade of controversy.

​Me too my friend. Give it a try for one year. If the quality of entries can be maintained and the mercenary element reduced, then the case is proven. There will also, in my opinion, be no need to exclude yourself from participation.

I haven't totally given up on human nature.

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Quote: "pnightingale"​Instead of penalizing the guy spending many hours running the contest, why not just take away the main bone of contention - prizes? Remove those and you remove the incentive to enter coins you don't own, create fake accounts so your "cousins" can vote for your coins and all the other toxic chicanery that mars the contest each year without fail. Wouldn't it be nice to have a scandal free contest for once?
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​​​I'm sure it would be a much faster and better event if the organiser didn'y have to spend countless hours of precious free time checking for stolen photos and newly minted "cousin" accounts. It's a really nice thing to donate prizes, don't get me wrong, even if it's the same handful of donors each year. In a better world it wouldn't be an issue but unfortunately we live in this world.
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​​​I haven't entered since the very first contest, mainly because of the distasteful grubbing and cheating it encourages. However I promise that if prizes are eliminated this year I'll participate fully. I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. Give it a try for a year, if it doesn't produce a cleaner contest you've lost nothing.
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​​​Surely the acclaim of your peers means more than scoring some free silver? If not then perhaps you need to revise your life's priorities.
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​​​Thank you for the wise words. I can organize the contest without any prizes too. What I want is a fun and easy going competition without a shade of controversy.

​​Me too my friend. Give it a try for one year. If the quality of entries can be maintained and the mercenary element reduced, then the case is proven. There will also, in my opinion, be no need to exclude yourself from participation.
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​I haven't totally given up on human nature.

​I am really keen to try out your suggestion. There are almost 2 months left to submit the entries and I expect at least 16 people to participate.

Quote: "druzhynets"​​Thank you for the wise words. I can organize the contest without any prizes too. What I want is a fun and easy going competition without a shade of controversy.

​The controversy seems to stem from you deciding which coins would go straight through to the competition and which coins would have to face a preliminary round and then which coins would face each other in the rounds. This is exactly why I ran the competition the way I did.

I had a larger round in the first round to let the voters decide which coins would progress to the main competition (Something that YOU were most vocal in complaining about). I also put the coins in the order that I received them ( 1st coin received went in round 1 of 8, 2nd into 2 of 8, 9th into 1 of 8 etc) So I couldn't be accused or giving coins an easy run through, it was straight luck of the draw, then it was a straight 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5 format.

In my opinion it was a BIG mistake not to have the second half of the competition run on the French forum, because when I was running it, there were SEVERAL times when the competition was swung by the French side. Even though they only had 8-10 people voting in each round as opposed to the 40+ on the English side, they often voted heavily in one direction if there was a French coin or French colony coin in the competition. I made sure that if the member who was translating for me on the French side was away, that I put them up on the French side myself.

If you really want to show that you're more interested in the fun of the competition rather than controversy then I suggest that you return the nice gold coin that Apuking kindly donated as the main prize in the competition last year.

It’s sad that there is so much controversy considering people are going through a lot of effort to organise this. Here’s an annual contest organised on another forum and it seems all very good natured when you go through the threads and posts over the last 10 years!

We should get to this level here on Numista.

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,44386.15.html

No need for prizes if some don't want to. I feel happy to donate something as a prize of course its also nice for me if more people participate because of this.

Yes I was also dissapointed that we had I think twice in the past somebody trying to cheat with pictures that were not owned by the person.
This had been countered by a new rule that was implemented by druzhynets I believe?
If you won a category you had to take another picture of the same coin but together with a note with your Numista username and the Date corresponding to the date you send the picture to druzhynets.

Regarding to what neil said, I absolutely agree, I had also used a system wehere all new entries from users would get a number starting from 1 and then I would use an online tool which selects random figures for you. In that way all rounds were truly selected randomly. druzhynets you might also think of some idea to make it well and end up being truly randomly selected whilst not taking too long.

Hamster, I don't see anything done wrong here from you, everybody can and should have an opinion. I know you are also a serious collector but yes you have to admit you have also through some of your actions become somewhat of our Forum Troll sometimes with good reason Critisiscm is ok and all can be disccussed and expressed but please in a civilized manner, there is no need to immediatly jump onto the fire wagon.

I think such a contest on a forum such a Numista is great and it gives a additional pass time that appears from time to time, we should all cherish it or those who don't care do not need to look into that forum.
Running the contest is a lot of work, yes I know that as I was the organisor 2 times I believe.

Perfectly normal to have some discussions before the next MPCC and its great to have and hear different opinions and ideas but lets keep it civilized.

Quote: "pnightingale"​Instead of penalizing the guy spending many hours running the contest, why not just take away the main bone of contention - prizes? Remove those and you remove the incentive to enter coins you don't own, create fake accounts so your "cousins" can vote for your coins and all the other toxic chicanery that mars the contest each year without fail. Wouldn't it be nice to have a scandal free contest for once?

​Nice idea. I didn't win a prize but I won one of the categories. My fellow collectors voting for my coin made me feel very proud, especially because my pictures were scans and scans don't have the same quality as pictures taken by a camera. I absolutely didn't need to win a prize to have that feeling of pride.

To sum up, what we've discussed, I can see that people want the contest to be as generic as possible.
Therefore:
- there will be no prizes this year;
- all the coins will be accepted, even with the worst quality of photos;
- all the types will be accepted, so we can have three Ceylon elephants, yes.

I do agree that I lost focus of French side at some moment - that certainly will be addressed. CassTaylor has volunteered to help me with that.

Preliminary rounds, as far as I can see, contained all the coins, so it was a less fancy name for the first round. Regarding the draw, I tried to make it as random as possible. I can make some kind of a live draw of each round if you think that's a good idea.

I still want to stick to the 1 vs 1 coin in a pair (not 3 or 4 like in the previous competitions). Also, I'd like to stick to the 'lucky loser' (the coin that lost but had the most votes) system like I did last year, in order to make contest uniform (ideally, 64 -> 32 -> 16 -> 8 -> 4 -> 2 -> 1).

In terms of the situations when both coins get an equal number of votes - I made voting longer so that the people decided who goes on. Maybe someone has a good idea of a tiebreaker in such situations? I didn't like Neil's approach of randomly choosing one of the two coins, prolonging the voting is also not the best option for me, so I'm looking for good suggestions.

"​The controversy seems to stem from you deciding which coins would go straight through to the competition and which coins would have to face a preliminary round and then which coins would face each other in the rounds. This is exactly why I ran the competition the way I did. "

Yeah but how to make else sure that your coins doesnt have to face hard enemys??



"To sum up, what we've discussed,............................................."

I will sum up your blablablabla like every nonbiased reader else sees it.

• Yes i manipulated the last mpcc to purse in the main price which a friendly user donated.
  
• Attentive users noticed my misbehaviour and now i am sour. I will try to play the victimcard.
  
• I will make use of a naive user who doesn't see through the carrying distance of my machinations
  
• go f̶u̶ck yourself with your feedback, i will never change anything nor will i ever hand over the stolen golden coin.
  

I just advise all people not to get involved in this contest. Not with a crook in charge who openly admits he will again manipulate the coin constellation.

@ Hamster

For a better understanding, I won't delete your message.
I will also derogate to the rule that sanctions are discreet to avoid offending egos.

Nevertheless, I still do not understand the way you express your opinion. You are rude.

Therefore, 3 month again.


@ Druzhynets and other fellows commiting themselves to the community: thanks guys, go on, and organize things as you want them to be organised; you do the job; those who just comply, critisize, whimper.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sK3wJAxGfs

Quote: "Muenzenhamster"​"​The controversy seems to stem from you deciding which coins would go straight through to the competition and which coins would have to face a preliminary round and then which coins would face each other in the rounds. This is exactly why I ran the competition the way I did. "
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​Yeah but how to make else sure that your coins doesnt have to face hard enemys??
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​"To sum up, what we've discussed,............................................."
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​I will sum up your blablablabla like every nonbiased reader else sees it.
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• Yes i manipulated the last mpcc to purse in the main price which a friendly user donated.
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• Attentive users noticed my misbehaviour and now i am sour. I will try to play the victimcard.
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• I will make use of a naive user who doesn't see through the carrying distance of my machinations
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• go f̶u̶ck yourself with your feedback, i will never change anything nor will i ever hand over the stolen golden coin.
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​I just advise all people not to get involved in this contest. Not with a crook in charge who openly admits he will again manipulate the coin constellation.

​Who are you to abuse me? Who are you to accuse me of manipulating the contest? Now you really gonna hear what you deserve, although it would be impolite from my side (and I can get banned for that) - go and f̶u̶ck yourself!

Hahaha Hamster. You are really laughable. And of course a scourge for the whole forum. You were unbanned for like, two days?

Quote: "VieillePile"​Therefore, 3 month again.
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​Merci mille fois.

Although this is at least Hamster's fifth ban in under twelve months now- isn't it time to consider more permanent solutions to the issue? Clearly myself and Oleg are not the only ones to hold this opinion- not by far, just look at this thread where we recently discussed the permanent removal of Hamster, among a few other troublesome members.

It's one thing to have disputes every now and then, but no one else on this site has been as consistently obnoxious and bothersome as the Hamster, and I don't think his absence would deprive either the community or the catalogue of any meaningful contributions. It's a net loss of 0 we're discussing here.

So, I for one will vote to make this sanction permanent.

Hammy hammy you are funny, ip banny is coming. We love you. And laugh at you.

It's always worth a good laugh when a grown-up man is so childish. Hamster you're a joke

Quote: "moneydog"​I am really afraid of this ip-ban. What is that exactly?
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​It's when funny little hamsters are thrown into the cage and cannot abuse other forum members anymore.

VPN... well, you can do that. Of course you can. Then we can activate our VPN. It is the Very Profile Nullification.

Quote: "Jarcek"​VPN... well, you can do that. Of course you can. Then we can activate our VPN. It is the Very Profile Nullification.

​Exactly, since he likes to start new profiles from scratch, he might want to get his main profile completely removed.

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Quote: "Jarcek"​VPN... well, you can do that. Of course you can. Then we can activate our VPN. It is the Very Profile Nullification.

​​Exactly, since he likes to start new profiles from scratch, he might want to get his main profile completely removed.

​+1

Excellent idea, only problem is it seems to be coming two years late.

Quote: "moneydog"​yes please post more evidence of your threats.
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​I am made some screenshots so that xavier can react. I bet its against french law to intimidate and bully people over the internet.

Go and cry to a French police officer because little baby hamster got abused

Oh, so you don't like what you just read? Maybe you should start working on your attitude and start apologizing to people. There are many people who did something wrong, who either stopped or toned down after forum bans. Not you evidently. Since IP ban might be just a little problem for you, there is nothing else to do.

CassTaylor has no power over this matter and VieillePile does what he can. I see how you mocked his username again in this post. You obviously did not notice that I sincerely wanted to move you in the right direction?

Well, this thread has become an embarrassment for everyone involved here. Just stop it before it gets even more pathetic. Please.

Quote: "ngdawa"​Well, this thread has become an embarrassment for everyone involved here. Just stop it before it gets even more pathetic. Please.

​Yeah, agreed. Please lock it mods.

Just in time for our little friend