French medallion [solved]

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 I got this the other day - and though this section is called 'Coin identifications and valuations' perhaps someone could kindly identify for me please?! Especially as there are a lot of French members.
 It is 39mm diameter and weighs 28gm and looks to be made of bronze. I guess it is a medallion.

  • First side has soldiers swearing allegiance to France, to a person on the left who holds
     a copy of the Constitution; border is toothed
Though the medallion is circular, there is an oval border.
Lettering on the border  VIVRE LIBRES OU MOURIR ·
The central design has  PACTE FEDERATIF  at the top above some flags
 and dated  14 JUILLET. 1790  below the exergue line.

  • Second side has lettering inside and outside a circle; border is toothed
Around the outside  MONNERON FRERES NEGOCIANS A PARIS  and is dated  1792·
Inside the circle  MEDAILLE DE CONFIANCE DE CINQ-SOLS  
 then illegible but apparently  REMBOURSABLE EN ASSIGNATS DE 50 ET AU DESSUS.
 then below an unseen exergue line  L'AN IV. DE LA LIBERTÉ
 
  • The edge has lettering around it
DEPARTEMENS DE PARIS· RHONE ET LOIRE· DU GARD· &c

  Just asking if anyone knows the history of this piece. It could have been made either later, or actually in that 1792 year (making it now 220 years old) as a commemoration of the 1790 date on the other side. Also as it has the value 5 Sols amongst the lettering, perhaps it was an 18th century trade token; which may explain the slightly worn appearance on the high points, as it has obviously been in circulation.



  P.S. I thought I would ask on here first, as I am English; will ask later on the French side, perhaps. The only other things I know, is the date signifies the storming of the Bastille 14 July 1790, and Augustin Dupré as the designer (DUPRÉ. F. is below the person on the left). Thanks in advance.  :)
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
  I see now that it is actually in Krause, despite my thinking it may have been a medallion.
All below are for  France  5 Sols  1792  Bronze ...

  • KM# Tn28
 Obverse: Allegiance scene; Roman numeral date in exergue
 Reverse: 6-line legend and date in exergue; legend around border

  • KM# Tn30
 Obverse: Allegiance scene; Arabic date in exergue
 Reverse: 7-line inscription; L'AN III in inner circle; legend around border

  • KM# Tn31
 Obverse: Allegiance scene   Obverse legend: VIVRE LIBRES OU MOURIR
 Reverse: L'AN IV is date in inner circle   Reverse legend: ...NEGOCIANS A PARIS

  • KM# Tn33
 Obverse: [no details]
 Reverse: Inscription within circle   Reverse legend: REVOLUTION FRANCAISE

  • KM# Tn34
 Obverse: [no details]
 Reverse: [no details]

  Not KM# Tn28 (date is not Roman), nor KM# Tn30 (not L'AN III), nor KM# Tn33 (not same reverse legend); so could be either KM# Tn31 (most likely) or KM# Tn34 (perhaps).  :wiz:
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
 That 14th July date on there is today. Is it French Revolution anniversary?

EDIT: Just answered my own question (I looked it up instead) - it is Bastille Day (date 1789).  :)

http://french.about.com/od/culture/a/bastille-day.htm
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
So that you don't talk to yourself (it must be a strange feeling) I'll share a picture of a similar 5 Sols coin which passed through my hands a couple of years ago.

I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
 Wow - thanks! Nice to see the lettering on the reverse, which has been worn away on my coin.
Thanks again - glad some kind people read, and reply to, my efforts.  :)
 It's good that though it has now passed through your hands you still have a picture of it.

EDIT: There are various Monneron on here https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?r=monneron&c=&cc=y&cn=y&cj=y&ce=y&cu=y&cat=y&mode=simplifie&p=1&e=&d=&km=&i=&v=&m=&a=&t=&dg=&w=&g=
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

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