Spanish silver coin possibly cob south american

Can any one help with an ID and date also value for this coin or token.

Found central france
weight approx 6 gm
width at widest point approx 25 mm
visible spanish coat of arms and on reverse cross pattern.

Welcome to Numista.
A lot of these are replica's/forgeries
Please ask/search here:
https://www.sedwickcoins.com/fake_cobs.htm

Is there a seams on the edge?

Hi thanks for the reply

There is no seam down the side , I found it 6 inches down on the edge of a plough field with a metal detector.

Perhaps another member can do a better identification, but I see some alarm signal.

It has a roman II in obverse, then a 2 reales. The date in reverse is 1650, then belong to Felipe IV. There is a letter N at right of the shield, initial of an essayer who worked in Granada around that year.

But in the shield isn't the arms of Portugal. They were until 1668.

The 2 reales of Felipe IV of Granada are very rare. There are only two known coins. One was sold in 400€ last year.

It deserves to be identify and certify by a professional.

Thank you very much for your reply, where would I look for a professional to help ID the item ?

Alec.

The two 2 reales of Felipe IV minted in Granada were certified and sold in the same auction house Aureo&Calico in Barcelona.

They have a video explaining the procedure:
https://www.aureo.com/en#prettyPhoto/1/

But without the Portuguese escutcheon and rarity, I have many doubts of your coin.

Hello and welcome on numista,

Quote: "Wicki"​Hi thanks for the reply
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​There is no seam down the side , I found it 6 inches down on the edge of a plough field with a metal detector.

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First of all, be aware that metal detecting is allowed in France only if you have the autorisation of the owner and if you are not looking for archeological items.
In any cases, when you found something with a metal detector, you have to declare it. Else it's considered as a pillage

About the date, I think it's most likely 1630 than 1650 but I agree with zegeri about the coat of arms on the other side : that doesn't match with this period... and it's kinda problematic. I don't really see an overstrike on this coin but it could be.

The weight seems ok, but your weighing scale is not precise enough to confirm that.

However I'm not sure about the Granada mint : I see a letter (R / A or something else ?) over a N over another letter (R / B / P / E / F ? )
The N over a R (or R over a N) stands for the Bogota mint. I think the essayer mark is the letter left.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces61427.html

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​However I'm not sure about the Granada mint : I see a letter (R / A or something else ?) over a N over another letter (R / B / P / E / F ? )
​The N over a R (or R over a N) stands for the Bogota mint. I think the essayer mark is the letter left.

If the letter below the N is a R, they would be the initials of Nuevo Reino (New Kingdom), then the mint place is Santa Fe (now Bogotá), as you say, Cycnos.

That solves the problem with the Portuguese arms, missing in many American coins.

Can this coin really be found buried in a plough field in France?
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Oh thanks ! I didn't know about the missing portuguese arms on some american cobs.

About the discover, it could be. I heard about a cob discovered in Georgia few weeks ago : it's much more unexpected than in France

Cobs were mostly produced in America for practical reasons : the Spanish disovered big deposits of silver there and wanted to bring this metal as quick as possible on the continent. It's the reason why they are so crude ; they didn't bother about the shape, only the weight counted (the coat of arms and other informations on the coins are mostly there to indicate that this silver was the property of the spanish crown) and most of them where melted down when they arrived in Spain.
However, they were used for transactions in Americas too.

In another hand, France was actively implied in the triangular trade so we had a lot of contacts with the New World.
Between buccaneers and merchands, there is a high probably that some of those coins ended up in France : as long as it's silver, it as value, so they were probably accepted during the transactions (foreign coins are regularly found along local ones in the hoards).

Thanks guys, am I to assume this is a little rare ? I know nothing about coins just a hobbyist.