Exact ID needed for two Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth coins! [solved]

Hello,

I have these two coins from the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, that need an exact ID, as I need to know which year line they belong in; at the moment both are listed in my collection as "unknown type". Weight is unfortunately still unavailable because of my lack of a digital scale.


https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces119296.html
14.5mm diameter, copper, also appears to have been clipped;


https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces136386.html
20mm diameter, silver/billon;

I'm not even sure if I have the right pages, or if the coins' exact types are even identifiable (they're both pretty worn), but thank you anyway in advance!

#1
correct, but there are thousands variations, even contemporary forgeries.
Perhaps you can ask Piotr?
https://en.numista.com/echanges/profil.php?id=62681
or Damian:
https://en.numista.com/echanges/profil.php?id=8154

Or you can buy the book about these 'Boratynka'
Miedziane szelagi Jana Kazimierza Wazy
Cezary Wolski
https://awerso.pl/pl/p/Miedziane-szelagi-Jana-Kazimierza-Wazy-NEW-/1705
(or ask Piotr)


https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boratynka


#2
looks like Górecki B.25.2.a on your link
Krakow mint

corrections welcome

Thanks Petrus, I can always count on you to have a go.

I've messaged Damian to ask him to see this thread.

Quote: "CassTaylor"​Thanks Petrus, I can always count on you to have a go.
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​I've messaged Damian to ask him to see this thread.

​I do not always have the solution, but most of the time I know where to search.
I have a lot of these polish coins, so I know who helped me for determination.
The date is 166?. Last digit is cut of the coin.
(1660-1665: later coins are more rare)
But perhaps with other details, it can be dated correct.

Hi Cass,
In my opinion your are right
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces136386.html - Górecki B.25.2.a

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces119296.html - KU63.B.21.11

Please verify aslo with geraltttt82.

Regards,
Damian

Thank you!