Hamstergame: Unlocking tier 3

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A long time ago there was an "art historian" from Planet M4rs3ill3 who wanted to turn washers into gold coins. She therefore read many magic books but did not understand their contents. For hours she locked herself in a chamber and tried to memorize the text. But that's not how the legendary washer magic works. One has to adapt one's own chakra to that of the washers by means of harmonized vibrations. But this requires decades of training. Full of anger about her impatience, she grabbed the next best book and inadvertently conjured up the "Tubular Headress Monster". In revenge, the monster then destroyed some insignificant museum in Brazil because it was torn from its midday nap and it happened to be nearby. Was featured on Numista btw.



Now to the point. In order to bring the universe back into harmony and to undo the shift in dimensions, the magic spell must be enumerated. Since dimensional shifts are only a small problem, it is only a small task to think. Balrog the Universal Guardian of the planet akdjlsakdjsalk, will reward the resolution of this problem by unlocking the next levels of the hamster game. This will also bring Numista users closer to the prize money.


Solve part one of the quiz to unlock the second part

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The monster exists and yes it lives geographically nearby. The story is plausible.

:wiz:



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27
27
Rabbit 3
Cat. 7
Dog 17
Hmm, taking not so veiled jabs and creative at the same time. I’m so torn. Anyways, let’s all stay with a fun spirit!

27 because I’m happy with the answers above lol
Quote: "ashlobo"​Hmm, taking not so veiled jabs and creative at the same time. I’m so torn.
Careful there, Brother Hamster; that's how you get your game shut down and your account banned (again).
This was a refreshing break from multi-period macroeconomic modelling.
;)
Thanks Hamster.
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
27 kilograms,
7+3=10 for cat and rabbit
17+3=20 for dog and rabbit
17+7+3=27 for all three
What? Me Worry
I won't calculate the weight of each animal (it's impolite : I don't want to offend them !)

So.... with a cat called "c", a rabbit called "r" and a dog called "d", we have :
c + r = ​10
r + d = 20
c + d = 24

We can conclude :
(c + r) + (r + d) + (c + d) = 10 + 20 +24
2c + 2d + 2r = 54
(2c + 2d + 2r) : 2 = 54 : 2
c + d + r = 27
So, a cat, a dog and a rabbit weight 27 kg :wiz:
27, without cheating
I also think it is 27 if we haven't still in "minus 6" world.

But it seems that there is a she-cat at the first picture and he-cat on the third. And it may be a difference in case of weight.

I mostly like this quize (I hope Humster will forgive me)

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For me It's the same cat : the thing we see between its hind legs his the paw of the dog behind :P
Quote: "Grinya"​​

​12?
Quote: "pcarey2003"
Quote: "Grinya"​​
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​​12?
​seems correct :)
no, not 12
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Quote: "Grinya"​I also think it is 27 if we haven't still in "minus 6" world.

​But it seems that there is a she-cat at the first picture and he-cat on the third. And it may be a difference in case of weight.

​I mostly like this quize (I hope Humster will forgive me)



​20
people talking without speaking, people hearing without listening
Quote: "Grinya"


​60

Shoes = 10
Man = 5
Whistle = 4
No
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Quote: "CassTaylor"
Quote: "Grinya"​​
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​​60

​Shoes = 10
​Man = 5
​Whistle = 4
​1 shoe = 5 ? ( or is half a pair worth less)
man = 5
X 1 whistle = 2
how did you get 60 CassTaylor :D
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Oh, I didn't realise there was only one shoe in the last line. :O

A pair of shoes is 10, so one is 5; a man is also 5, and a whistle is 4 (13-5 is 8, divided by 2) , so I change my answer to 40.
How is it not 12?

Unless the whistles are 1 whistle and the last whistle is just shifted the angle, then I could see 1 whistle in all pics, then it’d be 14.

also the last man is slighly different from the ones above.

but both these things would make no sense to trick you in such a way

so I am sticking to 12!
Is it a 1 legged referee with half a whistle ( or he's removed his whistle from his neck)
= 10
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11
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
The other only equation would be 16?
man minus 1 whistle X 1 whistle :°...
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Quote: "Iainmac"​The other only equation would be 16?
​man minus 1 whistle X 1 whistle :°
​5+(3*2)=11
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Quote: "CassTaylor"​Oh, I didn't realise there was only one shoe in the last line. :O

​A pair of shoes is 10, so one is 5; a man is also 5, and a whistle is 4 (13-5 is 8, divided by 2) , so I change my answer to 40.
​OK, so apparently there's only one whistle in the bottom row too, so my answer is now 20 as well, sam as Iainmac's.
Quote: "CassTaylor"
Quote: "CassTaylor"​Oh, I didn't realise there was only one shoe in the last line. :O
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​​A pair of shoes is 10, so one is 5; a man is also 5, and a whistle is 4 (13-5 is 8, divided by 2) , so I change my answer to 40.
​​OK, so apparently there's only one whistle in the bottom row too, so my answer is now 20 as well, sam as Iainmac's.
Man=5
Shoe=5
Whistle=2
(shoe)+((Man-Whistle)*Whistle)= 5+((5-2)*2)=5+6=11​
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Quote: "loruca"
Quote: "CassTaylor"

Quote: "CassTaylor"​Oh, I didn't realise there was only one shoe in the last line. :O
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​​​A pair of shoes is 10, so one is 5; a man is also 5, and a whistle is 4 (13-5 is 8, divided by 2) , so I change my answer to 40.
​​​OK, so apparently there's only one whistle in the bottom row too, so my answer is now 20 as well, sam as Iainmac's.
​Man=5
​Shoe=5
​Whistle=2
​(shoe)+((Man-Whistle)*Whistle)= 5+((5-2)*2)=5+6=11​
​last equation is multiply , if it's 2( 1 whistle) 1 shoe = 5, 1 man with whistle missing ( either =5 or =3 - minus the whistle) multiplied x 2 ( 1 whistle) maybe the whistle is worth nothing as it has been removed from the last man 10 or 16 maybez) (8 :D
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Quote: "loruca"
Quote: "CassTaylor"

Quote: "CassTaylor"​Oh, I didn't realise there was only one shoe in the last line. :O
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​​​A pair of shoes is 10, so one is 5; a man is also 5, and a whistle is 4 (13-5 is 8, divided by 2) , so I change my answer to 40.
​​​OK, so apparently there's only one whistle in the bottom row too, so my answer is now 20 as well, sam as Iainmac's.
​Man=5
​Shoe=5
​Whistle=2
​(shoe)+((Man-Whistle)*Whistle)= 5+((5-2)*2)=5+6=11​
​It's only now that I click on the picture the man on the bottom not having a whistle becomes apparent, so I defer to the answer by loruca above. :O

Great puzzle @Grinya! Really got the little grey cells going.
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Quote: "loruca"

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Quote: "CassTaylor"​Oh, I didn't realise there was only one shoe in the last line. :O
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​​​​A pair of shoes is 10, so one is 5; a man is also 5, and a whistle is 4 (13-5 is 8, divided by 2) , so I change my answer to 40.
​​​​OK, so apparently there's only one whistle in the bottom row too, so my answer is now 20 as well, sam as Iainmac's.
​​Man=5
​​Shoe=5
​​Whistle=2
​​(shoe)+((Man-Whistle)*Whistle)= 5+((5-2)*2)=5+6=11​
​​It's only now that I click on the picture the man on the bottom not having a whistle becomes apparent, so I defer to the answer by loruca above. :O

​Great puzzle @Grinya! Really got the little grey cells going.
​Didn't see it on my phone that he wasn't having a whistle around his neck, saw as I noted it was different, but now on PC I can see it's a whistle.

I am changing my answer to 11!

First Three Equations are easy and tell you a pair of shoes = 10, the man + whistle = 5, the pair of whistles = 4 and a single whistle = 2.

Then you need to start looking, this is the hard part!

Single shoe + Man without whistle x 1 whistle = (10/2) + (5-2) x 2 = 5 + 3 x 2 = 11
Quote: "Salaction"
Quote: "CassTaylor"

Quote: "loruca"
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Quote: "CassTaylor"
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Quote: "CassTaylor"​Oh, I didn't realise there was only one shoe in the last line. :O
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​​​​​A pair of shoes is 10, so one is 5; a man is also 5, and a whistle is 4 (13-5 is 8, divided by 2) , so I change my answer to 40.
​​​​​OK, so apparently there's only one whistle in the bottom row too, so my answer is now 20 as well, sam as Iainmac's.
​​​Man=5
​​​Shoe=5
​​​Whistle=2
​​​(shoe)+((Man-Whistle)*Whistle)= 5+((5-2)*2)=5+6=11​
​​​It's only now that I click on the picture the man on the bottom not having a whistle becomes apparent, so I defer to the answer by loruca above. :O
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​​Great puzzle @Grinya! Really got the little grey cells going.
​​Didn't see it on my phone that he wasn't having a whistle around his neck, saw as I noted it was different, but now on PC I can see it's a whistle.

​I am changing my answer to 11!

​First Three Equations are easy and tell you a pair of shoes = 10, the man + whistle = 5, the pair of whistles = 4 and a single whistle = 2.

​Then you need to start looking, this is the hard part!

​Single shoe + Man without whistle x 1 whistle = (10/2) + (5-2) x 2 = 5 + 3 x 2 = 11
​that was sounding good but 5+3 is 8... X 2 is 16
people talking without speaking, people hearing without listening
It is 11.
Order of math
1. Parentheses (simplify inside 'em)
2. Exponents
3. Multiplication and Division (from left to right)
4. Addition and Subtraction (from left to right)
Quote: "ken6528"​It is 11.
​Order of math
​1. Parentheses (simplify inside 'em)
​2. Exponents
​3. Multiplication and Division (from left to right)
​4. Addition and Subtraction (from left to right)
​Exactly, so 11 indeed :)
The man has a whistle round his neck which is gone in the last equation.
So shoes are 5 each
A man with a whistle is 5
A man with a whistle plus 4 more whistles is 13
So a man is 3 and the whistles are 2 each

So the final equation (1 shoe plus one man without a whistle multiplied by one whistle) so 5+3*2

From there it's just whatever format you use for solving equations.
If you use BEDMAS it's 5+(3*2) which is 11
If you use the straight left-to-right formula it's (5+3)*2 which is 16
What? Me Worry
No idea what these people are talking about, it's Maths and 5+3 is 8 times by 2 equals = 16. X-D
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There are no parentheses in the equation, so the multiplication has priority over the addition !!

The only way to resolve it is : 5 + 3 x 2 = 5 + 6 = 11
Quote: "Cycnos"​There are no parentheses in the equation, so the multiplication has priority over the addition !!

​The only way to resolve it is : 5 + 3 x 2 = 5 + 6 = 11
Quite often kids are being taught a straight left to right system, I'm guessing because that's the way they're entered into a calculator and the old order of operations system is abandoned.

I remember being at a quiz a while back and it had a maths question in it. The quizzer said there would be two possible answers and how old you are would determine which you would get.
What? Me Worry
Quote: "neilithicman"
Quote: "Cycnos"​There are no parentheses in the equation, so the multiplication has priority over the addition !!
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​​The only way to resolve it is : 5 + 3 x 2 = 5 + 6 = 11
​Quite often kids are being taught a straight left to right system, I'm guessing because that's the way they're entered into a calculator and the old order of operations system is abandoned.

​I remember being at a quiz a while back and it had a maths question in it. The quizzer said there would be two possible answers and how old you are would determine which you would get.
Are both orders valid, or does it depend on the quizmaster?

On a side note, I haven't heard of BEDMAS since my last maths lesson before my GCSEs, over two (nearly three) years now. Brings back many traumatic memories. :O
There is only one valid ruled currently, Neil.

And that is what they call BEDMAS in English.

So the answer is 11!
Quote: "Salaction"​There is only one valid ruled currently, Neil.

​And that is what they call BEDMAS in English.

​So the answer is 11!

​There is never one rule. Even now there's debate over BEDMAS as to whether is should be BEDMAS or BEMDAS
What? Me Worry
BEDMAS is just mnemonic acronym.

About the division and multiplication it just depends of the context : sometimes it's easier to start with the division if the results are integers, otherwhise it will be easier to do the multiplications first.
If you do a multiplication before a division or a division before a multiplication the result won't change.

Same with the addition and the subtraction : It's easier to use positive numbers in a calcul, it's the reason why we prefer to do the additions before the subtraction.

In Maths, the rules are :
1) Brackets
2) Exponents
3) Division and multiplication
4) Addition or Subtraction

So, BEDMAS / BEMDAS / BEDMSA / BEMDSA are correct too B)

However, we can't do an addition before a multiplication if there are no brackets around it : it's an error in Maths.
In programming, the order of operator evaluation is language-dependent. In APL, for example, the order is right to left, with no operator priorities. In math-like languages (like C, C++, FORTRAN, etc.), the various operators have numerical priorities and also left or right associativity.

For C and FORTRAN, + and - will have the same priority, and * and / have a higher priority, and exponentiation is even higher (at least in FORTRAN, but C/C++ doesn't have an exponent operator). + - * and / are all left-associative, and exponents are right-associative (when there is an exponent operator).

So, the rule would be BE[D/M][A/S], but also taking into account each operator's associativity. Of course, there are many more operators in languages like C/C++ ( . ,  :: = ++ += || & @ -> ==  ! etc.) all with their own priorities and associativities. It's best to use parenthesis almost always -- I've seen major problems caused by guessing wrong on the priorities.
11 is correct(8

Waiting for Muenzenhamster to understand whether 27 is correct!
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Quote: "Grinya"​11 is correct(8

​Waiting for Muenzenhamster to understand whether 27 is correct!
​Not 16 then :D lol!, maybe i need to go back to school learn the new way of doing maths
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Yes its 27. But that was only the first and easy part.
:8D


https://en.numista.com/forum/topic75600.html#p611453
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Quote: "Grinya"

​1) 10 + 10 + 10 = 30
2) 10 + 5 + 5 = 20
3) 5 + 4 + 4 = 13
4) 10 + 5 × 4 = 30

5 × 4 = 20
20 + 10 = 30

You must do it in the right order.
Look more carefully : there is only one shoe, a man without whistle followed by a single whistle.
Quote: "loruca"
Quote: "CassTaylor"

Quote: "CassTaylor"​Oh, I didn't realise there was only one shoe in the last line. :O
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​​​A pair of shoes is 10, so one is 5; a man is also 5, and a whistle is 4 (13-5 is 8, divided by 2) , so I change my answer to 40.
​​​OK, so apparently there's only one whistle in the bottom row too, so my answer is now 20 as well, sam as Iainmac's.
​Man=5
​Shoe=5
​Whistle=2
​(shoe)+((Man-Whistle)*Whistle)= 5+((5-2)*2)=5+6=11​
strictly speaking, the one shoe and the one whistle are new variables.
you can't really solve it.
Main Referee for Hutt-River
Same variable, the shoes and the whistle are identical  :
If a shoe is called "a", a man "b" and a whistle "c", we had at the beginning :

2a + 2a + 2a = 30
2a + (b + c) + (b + c) = 20
(b+c) + 2c + 2c = 13
a + b x c = ?

So :
a + a + a = 15
a = 5
A shoe equals 5.

2 x 5 + b + c + b + c = 20
10+ 2b + 2c = 20
2b + 2c = 20 - 10
2b + 2c = 10
b + c = 5
A man with a whistle equals 5.

5 + 2c + 2c = 13
4c = 13 - 5
4c = 8
c = 2
A whistle equals equals 2.

b + c = 5
b + 2 = 5
b = 5 - 2
b =3
A man equals 3.

a + b x c = 5 + 3 x 2
a + b x c = 5 + 6
a + b x c = 11
Looks like the kitties are going to die. Still 9 more puzzles to go and everyone is still arguing about a puzzle that wasn't even part of the original competition.
What? Me Worry
1. 10 + 10 + 10 = 30
2. 10 + 5 + 5 = 20
3. 5 + 4 + 4 = 13
4. 5 + 5 - 4 x 2 =X

Now we hopefully have all the correct numbers above, so all we need to do is follow order of operations which in this case is multiplication so...

5. -4 x 2 = -8
6. 5 + 5 - 8 = 2
7. X = 2
Quote: "neilithicman"​Looks like the kitties are going to die. Still 9 more puzzles to go and everyone is still arguing about a puzzle that wasn't even part of the original competition.
​hahaha!! you're right! i didn't even noticed it wasn't hamster who posted it, i just assumed it was.. :O

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