Why does this person get to lock and delete posts willy nilly? French refs are allowed to come across arrogant and tacky all over the English forum. And this person edits out English protests and leaves french rudeness in place! Why? I can understand locking a thread but this person is deleting right and left. So now my comment is recorded as a negative comment when it was honest criticism. Please limit this person.
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As far as I am aware, 'other language' moderators should perform a minimum on the other forum. For example, on the French forum I will very rarely go beyond deleting a spam post that's been there a while etc.
In this case, certain members may feel he gives a 'sympathetic ear' in cases whereby myself or ZacUK wouldn't, so he gets asked to be involved more by those members and obliges.
The only way to clarify what should be happening is to send your PM's to Xavier with observations and complaints, as he is the only one who can do anything about it or make appropriate changes.
Locking the thread anyway, a whinefest aint gonna change anything.
Second, as a moderator, my job is to moderate, i.e. make sure that posts are compliant and delete / lock / ban when not.
It is as simple.
Now, I will answer not as moderator but as an adult.
Quoting Oklahoman:
"this person": name that person. You wrote the name in the tittle, so it is not a secret; unless you mean "this person" as pejorative.
"French refs": I am one of them. Not all are moderating the english forum.
"are allowed": wrong. Are tasked / entittled.
" to come across": you mean moderating, don't you ?
"arrogant and tacky" please refer to the policy
Muenzenhamster:
Yes, I banned you. After an unobserved warning.
I barely delete or lock on the french forum because there is no need to. Rules and persons are respected.
I locked your post because it was turning into a proper bullying pamphlet directed to a member.
Unfortunately, the same member Muenzenhamster and some others are regularly mobbing.
I am not protecting anyone nor giving a sympathetic ear. Just trying to do that these forums do not transform into a virtual school backyard.
That's it.
If you want to comply or make me any reproach, please feel free to do it per PM. I will then be glad to answer it properly.
@Oklahoman
I want to say that I genuinely believe you when you say your deleted comment (and only yours!) was in the spirit of constructive criticism; but VieillePile is right that your critique, however genteel, has opened the door for the usual crowd of malcontents with an axe to grind and a score to settle for a "schoolyard mobbing". This is what PMs are for.
My response to your critique is that how I may come across to a few is unfortunate, but I do not control how someone on the other side of a screen interprets. I hope you can understand that.
Bullshit. You where just mad that i told that nothing of value was lost when that museum in brasil burned down.
I do not know if it is allowed under numistarules to dissuade other users from their opinions under threat of punishment.
I still have your "thought-police privatemessages" in which you were threatening me and maybe many others to change their public opinion to your opinion.
I will happily share your bully pm if it helps stripping you from your powers.
No Casstaylor, I cannot lock this thread now. I originally did lock it for this very reason, but then VP decided to not respect that lock and post in it anyway.
Therefore it is only fair that those interested to do so be allowed to respond to his post.
Having said that, hamster is on thin ice like always...
Funny that Oklahoman's post in the Numista website about objective moderators had the comments removed. I saw the original post and there was no breach of forum guidelines in it. He merely asked for moderators to be consistent in their deletion, not one sided. Then his comments were deleted. That really proves his point, and I think Vieillepile has overstepped his authority in trying to censor the post, because he doesn't like being held to account for his actions.
@oggy
In my eyes VP's self-defence was justified, seeing as this thread was deliberately targeting him in particular. If I were him, this thread would have gone straight into la poubelle last night, long before any of this mess. In fact, that's what I believe moderators should do straight away, to any threads/posts targeting specific members.
I don't take these grievances seriously, because there's nothing in any of Oklahoman's posts that couldn't be brought up in PMs to Xavier as a complaint (like I usually do when I have disagreements with staff)- as opposed to hosting another three-ring circus with the intended result being deliberate public humiliation and pillorying of a respected, contributive member.
@ Neil:
when something goes wrong, I delete posts from the first post (or part of it) breaching the rules to the last. Whimpering about consistence of deletion does breach the rules. I usually assume without any doubt my deeds. That's the case here.
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@ Cass:
I do not defend myself: I explained why these posts had been deleted (and will be deleted in the future as well).
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To make a long story short, forum's rules are clear; their spirit is the respect of other bodies (persons, states, whatever).
Just use a polite wording. Do not consider that other members are wrong while you are right.
To come back to Oklahoman's post..... Just check my comments on its wording.
I would have understood something like " Please explain why my post have been deleted ? I disagree".
I read "why are the f* frenchmen deleting my nice comments and not the f* ones of my f* contradictor ?".
Childish, immature, unpolite.
Deleted.
I do not know what your primary culture is, but in the southern cultures, you agree a little what the other says, it is a way to show some kind of respect.
I thought this was an international forum. How should we know the subtleties and nuances of a discussion in the respective country of the interlocutor??Why are we being punished if we don't know them??
Which leads to the other question, why are you interfering with other people's conversations in the first place??
Quote: "VieillePile"
Do not consider that other members are wrong while you are right.
"Any further negative post in the current thread pertaining to Brazil will lead to a ban"
Trolling is bad. I understand that trolling is bad. I understand that I will be banned if I troll any more or attempt to inflame the situation further.
Southern / Northern cultures:
Question: did you enjoy your meal ?
Answer South: Yes, but ....
Answer North: No, because ...
Northern cultures are more direct.
Right and wrong:
As a moderator, I have to distinguish between posts which are compliant from those which are not. I nevertheless do not judge or rate the opinions, just their wording.
For instance:
- " So i dont feel any remorse with brasil loseing their heritage after treating it like dirt."
- could be worded like " this is actually sad but the government did not grant enough resources to keep it safe".
I presume that your opinion (and I say that I presume, not that I know what your opinion is) is that, at the end, your always get what you deserve. I agree. But it should not be told rudely or roughly.
You will allways be allowed to say that you disagree on something and explain why. I will allways censor rude wordings when aware.
For a simple comparison: Bills are passed by Parliaments, their respect is insured by the judiciary power, which has to judge if it complies with the rules or not.
Do you agree on that ?
I question your impartiality. I have my suspicion as to what your bias is, but dont know for sure. You edit and lock threads in a way that seems to favor one view over another.
I ended up removing my thoughts before you had the idea to protect me and Numista from my use of free speech. I didnt follow my own advice of not posting in annoyance. I regret that. But someone should chill out and check their bias.
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When a thread goes wrong and is reported to the moderators, I keep an eye and leave some freedom. When it goes too far, I first try to cool down the debate. When unsuccessfull, I delete the posts that lead to the mess.
I must confess that when my attention is drawn on well known profiles, my patience does not last too long.
I then warn per PM and ban if necessary.
I do not especially appreciate banning or deleting. But it must be done when remarks go beyond the limit. Some member hold some innaprpriate speech, constituting a criminal offense. Don't you think it has to be moderated ? Fortunately, the member withdrew these terms by himself.
Would you have any remarks or comment, please, feel free to PM me for further discussion. I would be glad to answer.
I love France. I live in former french territory. My first teaching assignment was at the Marquis de Lafayette (and his many other names) School. I love french fries. I dont like your power abuses on these forum pages. That has nothing to do with your heritage.
You should moderate for us all. Not just your countrymen.
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Quote: "Oklahoman"
You should moderate for us all. Not just your countrymen.
Seriously, what? Why is nationality a factor in your interpretation of VP's actions, whether they are biased or not?
I don't know if you were referring to me, but I will say this; I am half English, I was raised in the UK, and English is my first language. If this big pro-French conspiracy in Numista led by VP exists like you insinuate it does, then I have yet to benefit from it.
Quote: "VieillePile"Nope Sir,
I think (I hope ?) I am impartial.
When a thread goes wrong and is reported to the moderators, I keep an eye and leave some freedom. When it goes too far, I first try to cool down the debate. When unsuccessfull, I delete the posts that lead to the mess.
I must confess that when my attention is drawn on well known profiles, my patience does not last too long.
I then warn per PM and ban if necessary.
I do not especially appreciate banning or deleting. But it must be done when remarks go beyond the limit. Some member hold some innaprpriate speech, constituting a criminal offense. Don't you think it has to be moderated ? Fortunately, the member withdrew these terms by himself.
Would you have any remarks or comment, please, feel free to PM me for further discussion. I would be glad to answer.
On what way was my (deleted) post going to far? I only defended the atacked member...!
Please stop bossing me around Casstaylor. I'm not some newbie for you to boss around or intimidate. You have many great posts and observations. There is no denying that. You have a lot of hard to take posts as well where you come across as pretentious and rude. I dont know if that is who you are or not, I hope it isn't. You greet new visitors with expectations of protocol that are so unwelcoming I am amazed if they stay. But then you are deeply helpful to others. It confuses me. VP seemed to aggressively edit those he perceived as attacking you and did not edit you. And then locks up threads. Is there another way to interpret this bias?
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By the way VP I received your incredibly rude, biased, and cursing rant. I will post it for all as soon as I figure out how too. You are the one who no one here should have time for.
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Quote: "VieillePile"@ Cass,
I meant your 05:33 one ;-)
Ok, I have also edited that one (removed the part where I recommended using PMs to resolve incidents instead of forum posts).
@Oklahoman
I'm not sure if you know, but yvon's post was defending me against your attacks/criticisms (whatever they were); and his got deleted too. That's why I'm so incredulous to your accusations of bias; also deleting a post that was defending me seems to be going out of his way to be fair to you.
