Anyone who has dealt with numismatics at all from, or in Italy will be familiar with coin flips that look like these, with five brass rings; four holding the flip sealed (kind of) and one keeping the attribution card in the back secure:
They seem to be the Italian numismatic equivalent of slabbing, since I've seen the same name on the rings on these flips all over Italy, from Milan to Rome to Naples.
I was wondering what other numismatists outside of Italy think of them?
Personally I don't like them, IMO it's the worst of both the worlds of flips and slabs; not as secure, but hard to take out. I've bought a few coins that were in flips like those and I have busted them out every single time. But I'd be interested to hear the opposing POV from anyone who appreciates them, and why.
Quote: "druzhynets"I think it's called perizia or something like that and this service costs 10-15 EUR. I'm not a fan of these.
Seems quite expensive for what it is. It looks quite cheap in my opinion.
I already saw this and I'm not a huge fan. If I were to buy a coin into this, I think I'd remove the coin from the flip.
Quote: "druzhynets"I think it's called perizia or something like that and this service costs 10-15 EUR. I'm not a fan of these.
Seems quite expensive for what it is. It looks quite cheap in my opinion.
I already saw this and I'm not a huge fan. If I were to buy a coin into this, I think I'd remove the coin from the flip.
My 1927 20 Lire was in such a flip; I removed the brass rings with that metal part of a stapler you use to remove staples. I still have and use the flip, but without the rings.
Usually what I do with the paper slip is I put it aside; I have a stack of them now from various companies and dealers. The more ad-hoc ones (just a piece of paper with a price and maybe a few quickly scratched on words) I throw away altogether.
@Oleg
If what you say is true, then it's at least better value than having it slabbed at NGC or PCGS.... but still not worth the hassle IMO, and if you do have a coin of caliber worth the cost, then you'd probably be looking at slabbing grading companies anyway.
When you're in Europe, GENI (France, Paris) seems like a good alternative. I did not have a coin slabbed by them but they are quite cheap (12€ if I remember right) and their slabs look good (or at least better than these flips ). https://www.instagram.com/geni.expert/
That's a shame, I wanted to hear the perspective of someone who did. I mean there must be someone who does if it's a standardised numismatic practice in Italy right?
I like them a lot, mostly because of the grades special for Italiana coins (they really have high standards for Italian coins). Also I use trays for coins and the flips fits perfect in 45mm spaces. The ones that are members of NIP (national association of Italian Numismatics) are even better, because not all of them are. You can get "perizia" simply to register at local court, you don't need to show any special knowledge. But to be member of NIP you need to get good opinion from few members of NIP. You can see that Massimo is not a member of NIP but monetaio is.
@Blaz
Thanks for sharing the perspective of someone who does like them. Are Italian collectors really stricter in grading overall, or is it just for Italian coins? Most countries' numismatists will be more familiar with coins from their own country, so it's probably the latter IMO.
They are generaly stricter. I have seen AU's called BB.
i think these perizie go well with albums and coin trays. Which is how these coins tend to be stored. They are also less permanent and more appreciated than our hard slabs.
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
I would say that they are stricter, overall its your name that you put on "perizia". But they mostly grade Italian coins yes. This is how i store my coins, well some of them not all. :)
Quote: "Blazenko"I would say that they are stricter, overall its your name that you put on "perizia". But they mostly grade Italian coins yes. This is how i store my coins, well some of them not all. :)
Best regards, Blaž
I just noticed your reply; but I'm much more interested in that 50 Lire coin I see in your tray!
Quote: "jadejackal"Just from the looks of it I would be worried that the metal fasteners would scratch the coins when the move around. Is that a justified concern?
That's a good question.
@Blaz It's still pretty damned expensive.... I'm beginning to wonder if it's possible for non-millionaires to assemble a VEIII type set.
Quote: "jadejackal"Just from the looks of it I would be worried that the metal fasteners would scratch the coins when the move around. Is that a justified concern?
That's a good question.
@Blaz It's still pretty damned expensive.... I'm beginning to wonder if it's possible for non-millionaires to assemble a VEIII type set.
Nope. It literally isn't.
(if even just because of the 1901 5 Lire.)
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Quote: "loruca"
Nope. It literally isn't.
(if even just because of the 1901 5 Lire.)
Oh, well, I expected that answer. I'll just content myself with a 1928 20 Lire, then.
It's almost like they made a whole bunch of gold commemoratives with super low mintages just to spite future type collectors.
Quote: "loruca"
Nope. It literally isn't.
(if even just because of the 1901 5 Lire.)
Oh, well, I expected that answer. I'll just content myself with a 1928 20 Lire, then.
It's almost like they made a whole bunch of gold commemoratives with super low mintages just to spite future type collectors.
I have a dream that one day I will own one of those 5 liras.
(gotta get through economics and commercial law first though)
More realistically, one of my bigger buys in the coming while will probably be a 1911 5 lire. Might liquidate some of my less interesting gold to get it. https://fr.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17430.html
That design....
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Quote: "jadejackal"Just from the looks of it I would be worried that the metal fasteners would scratch the coins when the move around. Is that a justified concern?
I would say they are perfectly safe, i have seen 30.000€ coin in one of them so...coin equally moves very little inside of flip.
Quote: "loruca"
Nope. It literally isn't.
(if even just because of the 1901 5 Lire.)
Oh, well, I expected that answer. I'll just content myself with a 1928 20 Lire, then.
It's almost like they made a whole bunch of gold commemoratives with super low mintages just to spite future type collectors.
I have a dream that one day I will own one of those 5 liras.
(gotta get through economics and commercial law first though)
More realistically, one of my bigger buys in the coming while will probably be a 1911 5 lire. Might liquidate some of my less interesting gold to get it.
https://fr.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17430.html
That design....
Well Italian coins are not cheap thats a fact, but hell they look really nice. I collect VEII and Umberto I by type and VEIII all years + in high grade its a life time project :). but as i collect other coins as well i dont spend all my budget only on Italiana coins. I own 2 gold coins from VEIII 50 lira 1912 and 1931 IX.
Yes that is the cheapest from 5 lira and even that one costs 500€+ . I have seen most of the VEIII coins in real life, the only one i didnt seen is 5 lira 1901 and some provas.
Quote: "loruca"
Nope. It literally isn't.
(if even just because of the 1901 5 Lire.)
Oh, well, I expected that answer. I'll just content myself with a 1928 20 Lire, then.
It's almost like they made a whole bunch of gold commemoratives with super low mintages just to spite future type collectors.
I have a dream that one day I will own one of those 5 liras.
(gotta get through economics and commercial law first though)
More realistically, one of my bigger buys in the coming while will probably be a 1911 5 lire. Might liquidate some of my less interesting gold to get it.
https://fr.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17430.html
That design....
Fun fact, the bust of VEIII on that coin was done by Luigi Giorgi, the same guy who engraved the bust of Yuan Shi Kai on the Chinese "Fat Man" dollars of the same era.
Personally I am aiming for the 1928 20 lire commemorative (10th anniversary of the Armistice); I think they go up from 100 euro, so should be just within my reach if I stretch my budget a little.
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