Do modern-made cut and countermarked coins exist? [solved]

I was looking at some of the coins in the catalogue; specifically the types that are based on "altered" coins, for example countermarked coins on Spanish 8 reales, or "cut" coins, for example "bits" from a Spanish 8 reales, which got me thinking- are there any known forgers who make those?

I'm talking about buying a few genuine Spanish 8 reales coins, then cutting them up into bits, or making and punching in a counterstamp and then trying to re-sell it as a (usually far more scarce/valuable) type. This kind of forgery would probably be harder to identify as a modern alteration to a real coin than forging a whole coin, and (if successful) the returns would more than make up for the cost of purchasing the genuine 8 reales coins.

It's already known in the banknote collectors' community that "fake" stamps/cancellation marks can be put on real notes to make a common banknote appear like a rare type/variant, so it's not a stretch to imagine the same kind of thing being done on coins...

Yes, fakes do exist and can be very difficult to identify. Fred Pridmore has talked much about this in his articles and major catalogue about the Caribbeans. There are imitations of real countermarks, but also fantasies that never existed such as the GEORGE ORD counterstamps, and yet some others that might be legitimate but are just as likely to be fantasies made long ago.

In many cases it's not clear whether the C/M is official or private, i.e. contemporary with the shortage of change in the 18th/19th century. So, it's not clear whether they should be classified as official coinage or as a token coinage such as the "F D" C/M from Trinidad I'm currently interested in.

@Camerinvs
Thanks for confirming what I thought, if you could link me to any sources about this subject that would be great!

Indeed, I heard about fake countermarks on roman coins as well.

Some exemples here at the end of the page : http://www.romancoins.info/CMK-curiosities.html

Yes, ancient C/Ms are problematic as well, and that's a useful page you're linking, Cycnos.

All I have on the C/Ms which interest you, Sophie, is either in print or in PDF. The problem is that it is scattered in several publications. A page here, a paragraph there... When I'm back home I'll see if I have anything useful for you.

Quote: "Camerinvs"​Yes, ancient C/Ms are problematic as well, and that's a useful page you're linking, Cycnos.
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​All I have on the C/Ms which interest you, Sophie, is either in print or in PDF. The problem is that it is scattered in several publications. A page here, a paragraph there... When I'm back home I'll see if I have anything useful for you.

​Great, I'd welcome absolutely anything on the subject.

I was just looking into buying my first "bits" but then this thought crossed my mind... now I'm a bit apprehensive

If you're already looking at a specific coin and DM me with the link, I could have a look and let you know what I think.

Oh, no, not any particular coin; just in general.