I've had a lovely Easter weekend with family, so have moderated this place as lightly as possible during that time, but it's getting somewhat out of control.
As some of you may/may not know, I'm fairly left leaning politically though rather laissez faire. I'm not a Trump fan, but that does not give me the right to disrespect others who feel differently.
This is a numismatic forum, not a political battleground. We come from all walks of life to discuss a common interest.
You can discuss problems here in this thread with each other or with us, but I'd like to see some sensitivity towards the feelings of others.
Things I don't want to see and have seen too much of recently:
- People disrespecting politicians just to aggrevate other members, or at all really. You hate Trump, you hate Obama. We get it, we don't care, we don't need your views thrust on us here.
- Barbing each other and generally acting like a brat around the forum to wind others up. Again, it's a numismatic forum, not a football game. The only points you score are the ones in my head that contribute to a ban.
- Spouting debunked conspiracy theories to make a point. We get that you hate Conservatives (I'm not their biggest fan!), but that doesn't mean you need to talk crazy theories about how Trump is insane and planning to nuke the world. Similarly hearing stuff like 'George Soros was a Nazi collaborator' because you dislike the left is intolerable and offensive.
Basically play nice, be friends, and if you need to discuss stuff, do it here.
So... you're a Soros funded, America hatin' commie, wanting to grab muh guns, bible and freedom, then eh? I always kinda knew that but love you anyway (in a rugged, manly, bear huggin' beer chuggin' red meat eatin' gun totin' non Brokeback Mountain,Chuck Norris type way of course).
I'm always hesitant to use any variation of the "I'm not a racist because I have a black friend but....." introduction because it's usually followed by a remark that would make a Klansman blush. However there's no other way to say it, so here goes.... I have a wide circle of friends, acquaintances and contacts, both here on Numista and in the wider world who range from the ultra Liberal to the potentially Stormfront. I value them entirely because they are worthwhile human beings who's company I enjoy. Integrity and intelligence sure go a long way and while the former is required that latter isn't.
Similarly I have no time for, or interest in, low rent trashy people. If you are a classless, judgemental, dishonest, nasty, low grade garbage of a person then please enjoy your small life without me in it, regardless of who you vote for.
Anyone choosing their friends based on how they think the government should work is quite frankly an idiot. The biggest reason? In my looooong experience unless someone has explicitly stated their political beliefs, your assumptions of what they might be are guaranteed to be wrong. "Collects 3rd Reich artifacts and firearms, lives unapologetically in the South... must be a KKK NAZI!" By excluding such lowbrows, I'm pretty certain I'm not depriving myself of any scintillating conversations.
TLDR VERSION: If I like you and call you my friend it's because you're a great person. If I don't like you, well you're basically a wretched bum. It has nothing to do with who you vote for, who you pray to or where you live.
I'd honestly give you a sincere round of applause for the initiative but my hand is in a cast following an incident involving a leaf blower, a ladder, a neighbor infamous for having really bad ideas and much Corona, for which I entirely blame Tru........ dammit, this is hard.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
I can't help but think that I am somehow partly responsible for Oggy creating this thread. I am not as great with words as many and I often do say the wrong things or in the wrong way. I find myself often saying... "That didn't sound right" or "That didn't come out right", but I am not a hateful person and I do try really hard to try to see things from the other's point of view. As for Trump?..... Well... He is a business man and not really a political leader (my opinion). Is that a good thing? Only time will tell. My personal beliefs regarding that man is that he is really just saying stuff that others secretly agree with but just don't have the courage (or stupidity?) to say in public. Even in Australia we have such Politicians. Some say they are backwards thinking, yet others say they are just before their time.
The other people you mentioned in the above posts I have no idea who they are. I really don't pay much attention to politics. No matter who is in charge taxes still go up, people still go hungry, some religious group persecutes another. Maybe it's just the way of the world. So it's very refreshing to hear a Mod say "C'mon guys. Let's just enjoy chatting about our coins". This forum is awesome. It's a good place to get away from all that politics and guff. So no matter if you are black, white, or a Trump loving rainbow pony, I'll always be so eager to hear your thoughts about this coin or that, and maybe I'll even learn something new along the way.
So I do say I am sorry if my posts are not as nicely phrased as some, but I do try.
Collector of Third Reich coins (1933 - 1946), and Australian coins.
Not swapping at this time.
Hello,
Quite funny how, on such a forum, you may come up to appreciate someone who you would never ever talk to if he/she were your neighbour
Maybe is Juha Sipilä a remarkably interesting coin collector, who knows ...
Quand l'Histoire et la Géographie se croisent sur nos pièces de monnaie ...
I hang pictures of various political icons such as Marx, Queen Victoria, Lincoln and Gandhi up on my wall. And while I am neutral on the political spectrum, I feel that people of each stand have their own reasons. As fellow human beings, we have to learn to respect people of different views but not to discriminate or segregate them. We should not oppress anyone of their rights of speech unless they try to oppress anyone of their rights. No Neo-Nazis, please. We must view each other with no bias.
Many people view communism (I'm neutral) as bad. While this might be due to the exposure to all the negative events, such as Stalin (I refuse to accept Stalin as a communist) during the Great Purge, they are actually trying to promote the collapse of classes - in which you and me, equally, live together and there is the dictatorship of the proletariat. On the other hand, capitalism allows people to own resources by private means and reap what you sow.
I believe that every member of Numista can hold their share of political view. Some of us disdain to conceal their views and aims and openly declare that their side is superior. They want everyone to follow them by using forcible and mean comments of targeting specific people. Let these mean brats tremble at this peaceful discussion thread. Numista members have nothing to lose but their hurt feelings. We have a forum to win.
Quote: "Jarcek"If this persists, I would recommend a discussion among moderators. Maybe we should be more strict and swift in taking action against hate.
I'm really thinking about stepping down or simply starting to go full hulk mode and throwing out bans like the sopranos throw out the f word.
Quote: "Jarcek"If this persists, I would recommend a discussion among moderators. Maybe we should be more strict and swift in taking action against hate.
I wholeheartedly agree, the anti-white, anti-Americanism has always been vaguely, even understandably, present (I love my adopted country but Americans can be their own worst enemy when it comes to dealing with the outside world) but recently it's reached levels of xenophobic animosity you'd expect to find on Stormfront, not a coin forum.
In what world are sly references to "certain nationalities" and "like a redneck" comments acceptable? Considering the opportunistic, hypocritical source these type of comments don't bother me at the personal level at all. I consider them to be clumsy attempts to provoke arguments rather than heartfelt bigotry. They do however need to be addressed firmly whatever the motive.
If it's OK to making disparaging comments about "rednecks" then is it OK to apply similar demeaning terms to our black, Jewish, Hispanic and Asian members? No reply is really needed, the question will answer itself based on what action, if any, is taken. I don't consider either of the offending parties to be irredeemable and neither should be considered in the same category as that vile Euromunt kid. However, having been afforded many opportunities to cease with the drama and ignorance and petty insults, at some point it has to become clear that there's no intention of reform. Things have turned sour and clearly won't improve until the nettle is grasped. Sad really,
I'm always wary about using tags like "hate" or "wascally waycism". In the world of micro aggressions and safe spaces you will find hate wherever it's convenient for you to define it and look for it. In the end it all becomes meaningless. I'm much more interested in basic civility which is something far more worthy of pursuing. If American voters choose unwisely then it's us who will live with the consequences, not you. An occasional passing comment is fine but the almost daily Trump bashing is honestly pretty boring. Try saying something original, you might enjoy it.
Believe me there's plenty of room for criticism of other country's electoral mishaps. However it's really uncommon to find US members ridiculing for example, Canada's current PM. Is it really too much to ask that we receive a similar courtesy in return?
A little tolerance instead of mean spirited virtue signaling might go a long way towards a better Numista.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Guys, try doing what I do when the forum boils over; I take a break from it and spend a day or two building the Numista catalogue. It's constructive, and appreciated by community members whatever their creed far more than typing five-paragraph lectures on your grievances and grandstanding on whom you'd like to have banned. That's why I've done minimal commenting on threads like this one in the past few days.
Report the offending post(s), roll your eyes and move on. Otherwise you're being no less of a "moral police". Maybe even consider it a form of occupational therapy; the point is if one's contributing to the catalogue, they'll post less which in turn ruffles less feathers.
I have been away for a while and deplore to note that same old habits still reign over the place.
I especially appreciate the concept of rolling the eyes and moving forward. Thanks to comply with this good advice when applicable.
As for the rest, this forum is a quiet place where members can share point of view. May sometime disagree one with the other. This is the core concept of debating. Please do not judge as if you were a judge. If the debate goes beyond the line (I mean not those of political correctness but the legal ones), report and leave on your toes.
as a frequent forum reader ( and infrequent forum author) I must admit it makes me sad to read all this.
But I feel I need to say something now - please excuse possible mistakes or bad expressions, English is not my mother tongue.
We are here together because of our common interest, which is numismatics.
We are not here because we share the same political believes, the same religion or whatever. And we also are not here to convince anyone to follow our political believes, religion or whatever.
So we should stick to numismatics here, and leave the rest aside. This community lives by its members, and from so many of you I learned so much about numismatics, and I wish it to stay like this.
Guys, try doing what I do when the forum boils over; I take a break from it and spend a day or two building the Numista catalogue. It's constructive, and appreciated by community members whatever their creed far more than typing five-paragraph lectures on your grievances and grandstanding on whom you'd like to have banned. That's why I've done minimal commenting on threads like this one in the past few days.
Report the offending post(s), roll your eyes and move on. Otherwise you're being no less of a "moral police". Maybe even consider it a form of occupational therapy; the point is if one's contributing to the catalogue, they'll post less which in turn ruffles less feathers.
I think it's worth resurrecting this thread and the first post as a little reminder, since some posters seem to have forgotten the message it was supposed to send and are getting their knickers all in a twist in public once more.
Again, like my quoted post; if you must rant and rave about any percieved transgressions, do it into a pillow, not on the forum with a long passive-aggressive post. It only makes your hands tired, and it's far beneath your dignity and even less so for others. Try and have a nice day with your collection instead of nursing rage and throwing barbs- you'll live longer, and everyone else will be all the better for it.
Guys, try doing what I do when the forum boils over; I take a break from it and spend a day or two building the Numista catalogue. It's constructive, and appreciated by community members whatever their creed far more than typing five-paragraph lectures on your grievances and grandstanding on whom you'd like to have banned. That's why I've done minimal commenting on threads like this one in the past few days.
Report the offending post(s), roll your eyes and move on. Otherwise you're being no less of a "moral police". Maybe even consider it a form of occupational therapy; the point is if one's contributing to the catalogue, they'll post less which in turn ruffles less feathers.
I think it's worth resurrecting this thread and the first post as a little reminder, since some posters seem to have forgotten the message it was supposed to send and are getting their knickers all in a twist in public once more.
Again, like my quoted post; if you must rant and rave about any percieved transgressions, do it into a pillow, not on the forum with a long passive-aggressive post. It only makes your hands tired, and it's far beneath your dignity and even less so for others. Try and have a nice day with your collection instead of nursing rage and throwing barbs- you'll live longer, and everyone else will be all the better for it.
I’d dare say by reviving this post you made it worse.
Aye, probably true but it's not the judge we blame for a criminal being imprisoned.
Not sure what point you think you're making by doing a Hitler comparison of all things, but why not lend that kind of gung-ho to improving the catalogue instead? Seriously, I'm not even trying to barb here; that's one thing we can all agree that would be appreciated and constructive. I beg some of you in particular to consider it.
