Chinese Dollars - real or fake ? [solved]

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JOCA
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Posted: 13 Mar 2018, 19:41 #
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Hi,

A friend of mine bought these old silver Dollars from China in....Hong Kong.
He show me the coins, but i don`t know if they are real (i really don`t trust on chinese coins)!
Hope you can help him.
If they are real, perhaps you can identify them...i only saw 3 of them on Numista.

Number 1 - Weight - 27,0 grams



Number 2 - Weight - 24,3 grams



Number 3 - Weight - 27,2 grams



Number 4 - Weight - 26,7 grams



Number 5 - Weight - 26,4 grams



Number 6 - Weight - 26,4 grams




Best Regards
Joao
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Posted: 13 Mar 2018, 20:26 #
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for me all fakes.
bbybugs Catalogue referee
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Posted: 13 Mar 2018, 20:44 #
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Indeed, imitation art-craft all of them
Numismatist uk
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Posted: 13 Mar 2018, 21:12 #
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Something just isn't right...
          'We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.'
                                                      Sir Winston Churchill
JOCA
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Posted: 13 Mar 2018, 21:49 #
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Hi,

Thank's for the replies.
I'm not an expert on this matter, but i never like chinese coins because of the FAKE coins they make.
Is there any expert on this...?
PetrusAscanus
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Posted: 13 Mar 2018, 22:57 #
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fake from top to bottom......
Sorry
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JOCA
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Posted: 13 Mar 2018, 23:17 #
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I Guess there are no doubts.
thank's to all.

João
PetrusAscanus
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Posted: 14 Mar 2018, 13:22 #
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I have a section 'Fakes' in my coin collection.
There are indeed people who collect these 'coins'
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JOCA
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Posted: 14 Mar 2018, 14:49 #
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Allready told him that they are fake...and i don`t know if they are silver.
I think they have a small composition of silver!
PetrusAscanus
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Posted: 14 Mar 2018, 16:08 #
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Forgeries are sometimes made in silver.
First try a magnet, ping-test
Buy some neodymium magnets to make a coin slide (very usefull):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gLB2uMAMYM
Silverplated copper gives the same effect.
This is how it works:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current
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LCW1991
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Posted: 15 Mar 2018, 16:40 #
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All are replicas which selling for around 3 RMB in China so don't even think there's any silver.
CassTaylor
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Posted: 15 Mar 2018, 17:46 #
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Quote: "LCW1991"​All are replicas which selling for around 3 RMB in China so don't even think there's any silver.
​I've seen markets selling hundreds of these fakes in trays in East Asia, so if your friend bought them in a similar setting there's a 99.9999 chance they're fake.

That .0001% chance is then squashed by the clumsy details on the coins, and the fact that the second to last coin (claiming to be from Tibet, or Xizang in Chinese) doesn't actually exist.
JOCA
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Posted: 15 Mar 2018, 19:33 #
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Ok thanks
CoinStack
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Posted: 4 Jun 2018, 12:05 #
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A actual 100% Silver coin of this size, 39mm, would weigh 37.5 grams if about 3mm thick. 2 mm would make it 25 grams.

Therefore a 39mm, 3mm coin with a weight of only 26-27 grams is either silver plated on some alloy (or copper) or a low silver content type of alloy.

Some of the information stated on numista is therefore incomplete when it states "Silver" for these coins.

It also makes me believe that most of these coins are (all) dubious because the actual allloy is unknown.
PetrusAscanus
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Posted: 4 Jun 2018, 15:17 #
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https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/chinese-coin-counterfeiting-ring-4071202
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CoinStack
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Posted: 4 Jun 2018, 16:29 #
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It could be true if the average coin thickness is about 2.6mm.

These guys and or girls are also mentioning these weight values:

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/great-britain-dollar-km-t5-1895-1935-cuid-1202269-duid-1334864

The amount of fakes is huge, copper silver plated ones are difficult to distinguish as the weight can be similar.
PetrusAscanus
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Posted: 4 Jun 2018, 17:44 #
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Not only chinese coins are forged:

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CoinStack
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Posted: 4 Jun 2018, 21:49 #
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Sure.

Compare the supposed 26-27 g 39mm 3mm silver coin to this:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3851.html

A 35.4 g silver (0.877) 39mm 2mm coin (which according to theory has a maximum of about 23-25 g)
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