https://www.is.fi/taloussanomat/oma-raha/art-2000005499151.html
Sysmä S
Hopefully one small step away from the euro, the small city of Sysmä, (finland) that has 4000 residents has decided to start using its small own currency as secondary currency next to euro. A hundred companies have accepted Sysmä.
It is a token-type small currency, larger version of Paavo Väyrynen's 5 markka coins last year (paavo is a guy who wants to kick euro out of Finland) and sysmä likes this idea too. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qnm6aj5RmJU
This is paavo, a veteran politician, and he is running for president. (in almost every election since 1980's) there is many opinions but I will not vote him because his ideas, but he is currently the best way to get out of euro.
The question: Exonumia? Fantasy issues (probably no) Tokens? New "country" under finland? Probably exonumia or tokens. But the question is will it be a currency?
When you need to print them that would rank as some sort of paper money, right? So, I wouldn't expect to see them in the Numista catalogue until bank notes, scrip, etc., are catalogued -- if that ever happens.
When you need to print them that would rank as some sort of paper money, right? So, I wouldn't expect to see them in the Numista catalogue until bank notes, scrip, etc., are catalogued -- if that ever happens.
There could be coins. Those sysmäns are really interested about their "own currency".
I have always wondered what other people from various nations that use the Euro thought about it. I know France HATES the Euro and there is an underground modern Franc movement.
Quote: "Ghawk97"I have always wondered what other people from various nations that use the Euro thought about it. I know France HATES the Euro and there is an underground modern Franc movement.
I didn't have the impression that France was any more for or opposed to the Euro than any other major user of the currency... there are those who would like to bring back the mark, lira, etc. for various reasons ranging from aesthetic/numismatic appreciation to those stupid nationalist movements.
Quote: "Ghawk97"I have always wondered what other people from various nations that use the Euro thought about it. I know France HATES the Euro and there is an underground modern Franc movement.
I didn't have the impression that France was any more for or opposed to the Euro than any other major user of the currency... there are those who would like to bring back the mark, lira, etc. for various reasons ranging from aesthetic/numismatic appreciation to those stupid nationalist movements.
Sysmä reminds me of Collobrieres: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/30/world/europe/30france.html
a small town that accepted the French francs alongside the euro for some time in the 2000s.
There are even people who want the imperial system and pre-decimal currency back after Brexit.
'We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.'
Sir Winston Churchill
Euro stole our currencies, but if we think about it, actually the only things that matter are: Name of the currency and the bit boring euro coins, as they have had the same design for almost 19 years. (small changes) I would like the Markka back too, (as would about half of finland) but this is 2018, coins must be extra "delightful and recognizeable". The euro is still better than the credit card I'd say. Interesting error coins etc.
Quote: "Monninen1"Euro stole our currencies, but if we think about it, actually the only things that matter are: Name of the currency and the bit boring euro coins, as they have had the same design for almost 19 years. (small changes) I would like the Markka back too, (as would about half of finland) but this is 2018, coins must be extra "delightful and recognizeable". The euro is still better than the credit card I'd say. Interesting error coins etc.
As an outsider I prefer pre-euro for obvious reasons.
The main euros I get are ROI and they are very boring!
'We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.'
Sir Winston Churchill
Quote: Ghawk97I have always wondered what other people from various nations that use the Euro thought about it. I know France HATES the Euro and there is an underground modern Franc movement.
Like in any euro country, I suppose, there are people in France who don't like the euro but France doesn't "hate" the euro as most people there understand that it was something that had to be done and can't be undone anyway. The "underground franc movement" is the nationalists, isolationists and far-right proponents of the kind you find everywhere now.
Quote: "Numismatist uk"There are even people who want the imperial system and decimal currency back after Brexit.
Insert that quote about trying to teach old dogs new tricks here.
To abandon the decimal system and return to the imperial system would be monumentally stupid -- not just stupid, monumentally stupid. Australia and New Zealand had the opportunity to institute a decimal currency from the start, but stupidly followed the tradition and adopted their own imperial system. And then they had to go through a costly transition from imperial to decimal.
Of course, for us collectors, it makes things more interesting ...
Never knew it was called the 'Imperial system'; thought that referred to the old units of measurement and not currency, e.g. American feet and yards and pounds (lbs). Guess it was both.
Canada (and Newfoundland) is an example on the flip side which did adopt a decimal currency similar to the US' from the start.
Quote: "CassTaylor"Never knew it was called the 'Imperial system'; thought that referred to the old units of measurement and not currency, e.g. American feet and yards and pounds (lbs). Guess it was both.
Canada (and Newfoundland) is an example on the flip side which did adopt a decimal currency similar to the US' from the start.
True -- it shouldn't be called the "imperial system" but "sterling". Yes, "imperial" is used for the archaic measurement systems now only used in the USA, and especially for the "imperial gallon".
In Canada and the rest of British North America, though, there was a little sterling twist to the story, because in the 1850s-1860s it was decided to adopt not the quarter but a 20 cents coin since it corresponded to the shilling. They quickly enough realized this was pointless and confusing because the US quarter was much more common. So, the first Dominion coins in 1870 included a 25 rather than 20 cents. (Some people were scratching the "0" in "20" to try to pass the 20 cents as 25, and you still see them occasionally for sale.) And then, Canada was able to convince Newfoundland to adopt the 25 cents coin in 1917 because of the confusion caused by their 20 cents entering the Canadian market.
When Canada discontinues the "nickel", it will most probably have to replace the quarter with a 20 cents coin.
