New Country - Burkina Faso [solved]

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Mein damen und herren, mesdames et messieurs, ladies and gentlemen, I give you the first coin from
Burkina Faso on Numista: (8

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces129440.html

The country doesn't yet appear on the country list, and has no flag yet, but when it happens I'd like to nominate myself (and doc_man as co) for referee.
Quote: "CassTaylor"​The country doesn't yet appear on the country list, and has no flag yet, but when it happens I'd like to nominate myself (and doc_man as co) for referee.
​two referees for one coin? 8~
I suggest adding a link to French West Africa since they use the Franc CFA as their regular currency.
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It's just the first coin of many to come (8

Anyway, staff seem not to have gotten around to validating it yet.
This country's capital has a great name: Ouagadougou. I love to say it in repetition while dancing around a bonfire.

And they sure love Miffy over there. At least they know that Hello Kitty is a cheap knock-off of the critically acclaimed bunny.
Quote: "jokinen"​​And they sure love Miffy over there. At least they know that Hello Kitty is a cheap knock-off of the critically acclaimed bunny.

​The 1500 francs Miffy is waiting for validation too.
Finally ! Great to hear that. I have already a bunch of coins for that country !
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I was too happy to see Burkina Faso in the topic that didn't read that we still waiting for acceptance for this one.
In African modern coins there are coin series minted through different countries and in our catalog we find coins from Benin, Chad, Niger etc but we don't have Burkina Faso i wonder why. In Krause Catalog there is no Burkina Faso why ? Many of you know how hard is get information from African national banks i assume that they didn't know where they sell their copyright. Nevertheless Burkina Faso is a country and they issue commemorative coins.
check this site, is our trusted copyright site :
http://www.chiefacoins.com/Database/Countries/Burkina_Faso.htm
" It is of special interest to note that this issue of pattern is very first numismatic issue of the Republic of Burkina as the legal tender coins that circulates in the country are those of the Union Monétaire Ouest-Africaine (West African Monetary Union) of which it is a member."

http://www.ultramarines.info/Burkina%20Faso/Burkina%20Faso.html
https://www.apmex.com/category/29052/silver-other-coins-from-all-other-african-countries
http://www.pela-coins.eu/coins-by-country/9-afryka.html
http://coins.su/forum/topic/218639-burkina-faso-2017/
http://coins.su/forum/topic/218568-burkina-faso-2015/
http://coins.su/forum/topic/218574-burkina-faso-2016/

Regards,
Damian
Former numista referee for Poland and half of african countries.
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All these 2003 coins from Burkina Faso are fantasy issues. In the beginning they had a regular KM# number but nowadays they all are in the Krause Unusual Coins (6th edition) and no longer in the regular Krause.

In fact, all the coins struck by "African Mint" are fantasy coins. Here you can see them: http://www.africamint.com/
Good comment, Essor Prof. So, until one knows whether the states represented on those tokens officially approved them, they should be in the token section of the catalogue not under the countries' names but under "Bureau africain d'émission / Africa Mint".
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Quote: "Camerinvs"​... they should be in the token section of the catalogue not under the countries' names but under "Bureau africain d'émission / Africa Mint".

​They certainly should stay in the token section, but I would keep them under the countries' names and not under "Bureau africain d'émission / Africa Mint" because most collectors read the countries' name on the coin and therefore are going to search under that name in our catalogue and certainly not under ""Bureau africain d'émission / Africa Mint".
Besides, in that case, to be consistent, all the fantasy coins shouldn't be under the countries' names but under the private companies who struck these tokens, and then nobody will know where to search for a certain fantasy coin anymore. It would be one big messy puzzle.
I completely agree that those 2003 African country coins should be in tokens, but there have since been legitimate issues by Burkina Faso in the mid-2010s with their coat of arms like the one I added above. Like many other African countries (Côte d'Ivoire, Niger, etc) they seem to be having these made at some German company, but they carry the coat of arms and seem to come from the Burkina Faso govt.
Then, OK, by countries' name under the "Token" section, but I think it would be a good idea to say something in the comments section of each of those tokens, otherwise every 2 years someone will want to move them back to the regular catalogue and the discussion will start all over again. Something such as:

« This is a private issue of the Bureau africain d'émission / Africa Mint. The regular coinage of Burkina Faso [or whichever country] is the Franc CFA common to the French West Africa community of nations. »
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Quote: "Camerinvs"​Then, OK, by countries' name under the "Token" section, but I think it would be a good idea to say something in the comments section of each of those tokens, otherwise every 2 years someone will want to move them back to the regular catalogue and the discussion will start all over again. Something such as:

​« This is a private issue of the Bureau africain d'émission / Africa Mint. The regular coinage of Burkina Faso [or whichever country] is the Franc CFA common to the French West Africa community of nations. »

​That indeed is a very good idea. Although it's better to link the Franc CFA to West African States (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/bceao-1.html) instead of to French West Africa. French West Africa doesn't exist anymore since 1958.
Besides, Western Africa and Central Africa as used in our catalogue don't exist either. It should be West African States and Central African States.
OK, so here is a modified version:

« This is a private issue of the Africa Mint / Bureau africain d'émission. The regular coinage of Burkina Faso [or whichever country] is the Franc CFA issued by the Central Bank of West African States. »

« Cette frappe a été produite à titre privé par le Bureau africain d'émission / Africa Mint. L'unité monétaire en circulation au Burkina Faso [ou autre pays] est le Franc CFA émis par la Banque centrale des États de l'Afrique de l'Ouest. »
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Quote: "Essor Prof"

All these 2003 coins from Burkina Faso are fantasy issues. In the beginning they had a regular KM# number but nowadays they all are in the Krause Unusual Coins (6th edition) and no longer in the regular Krause.

​In fact, all the coins struck by "African Mint" are fantasy coins. Here you can see them: http://www.africamint.com/
​Im not talking about this , this is obvious that this should stay in fantasy world. I mean coins since 2013 in this link plus coins in others
Former numista referee for Poland and half of african countries.
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If you'll look here:
http://www.ultramarines.info/Burkina%20Faso/Burkina%20Faso.html

You can find plenty of post 2013 coins that are legitimate issues by Burkina Faso, as opposed to the 2003-2006 fantasy X# coins Essor mentioned that should be in tokens.
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It's been a week since this thread was started but still no Burkina Faso country :triste:
Quote: "CassTaylor"Like many other African countries (Côte d'Ivoire, Niger, etc) they seem to be having these made at some German company, but they carry the coat of arms and seem to come from the Burkina Faso govt.

​The 1500 Francs CFA (Miffy) is struck at the Royal Dutch Mint, with certificate of authenticity:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/voir_ajout.php?id=2125124
I fight for Burkina Faso since October
Former numista referee for Poland and half of african countries.
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I've been wondering for years why Burkina Faso has been missing in the country list. But when I check the catalogues I've noticed that it's missing there as well. But considering that BF never issued their own coins, it's not really that strange. They've just recently started to issue commemorative coins, so maybe it's about time to add them.
Quote: "ngdawa"​I've been wondering for years why Burkina Faso has been missing in the country list. But when I check the catalogues I've noticed that it's missing there as well. But considering that BF never issued their own coins, it's not really that strange. They've just recently started to issue commemorative coins, so maybe it's about time to add them.
​Same here. They don't have own currency but they issue commemorative coins under their name as other countries do. I think its similar thing to UK dependent territories with one exception Burkina Faso is sovereign country. The BF should have place in our catalog.
Former numista referee for Poland and half of african countries.
I invite you to my FB group about commemorative coins : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1635288620035921
Côte d'Ivoire had their coins minted at a German company though:
https://www.mdm.de/goldmuenzen-elfenbeinkueste-2017-unser-sonnensystem
MCI mint sell coin from Burkina Faso , dont you think this good enough to create a Burkina Faso country ?

http://www.euromuenzhandel.com/epages/61294941.sf/en_GB/?ViewObjectPath=%2FShops%2F61294941%2FProducts%2F1472

Regards,
Damian
Former numista referee for Poland and half of african countries.
I invite you to my FB group about commemorative coins : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1635288620035921
I even included a certificate of authenticity in my request (although not in English because the coin is struck by the Royal Dutch Mint) but still no validation:

Found also this : http://agaunews.com/mci-continues-journey-fossil-record-actual-mesozoic-sea-urchin-silver-coin/
Former numista referee for Poland and half of african countries.
I invite you to my FB group about commemorative coins : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1635288620035921
and this :
Former numista referee for Poland and half of african countries.
I invite you to my FB group about commemorative coins : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1635288620035921
Quote: "Essor Prof"​I even included a certificate of authenticity in my request (although not in English because the coin is struck by the Royal Dutch Mint) but still no validation:

​I have translate in english :
Google Translate:
The Royal Dutch Mint hereby confirms the authenticity of the Burkina Faso 2015 issued with this certificate by means of the above specifications.
The smallest gold coins in the world are very popular collector's items worldwide. The coins are issued annually by fresh mints in the world-wide and are legal tender in the country of issue. All coins are made of pure Gold have the highest collection quality and are issued in limited edition

I think this solve the thing if this country should be add or not.
Many thanks Essor Prof !
Regards,
Damian
Former numista referee for Poland and half of african countries.
I invite you to my FB group about commemorative coins : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1635288620035921
After such a thorough investigation there is no way Burkina Faso can't be added to the countries list.
ROMA AETERNA
Yes, welcome Burkina Faso!
How long does adding a new country take?
(Not trying to be rude or anything, just asking).
Quote: "CassTaylor"​Yes, welcome Burkina Faso!
​How long does adding a new country take?
​(Not trying to be rude or anything, just asking).
​No idea. I have no power to do so.
ROMA AETERNA
Hi,
request submitted 8 days ago...that's not really what I would call a huge delay 8~
Please have a look at the editing I sent back for the 1000 francs, need some more data on it before adding.
Sapientiae plerumque stultitia est comes.
Si c'est un grand plaisir d'être reconnu par ses amis, c'est peut-être encore plus flatteur d'être reconnu par ses adversaires.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/voir_ajout.php?id=2125124

Does my request needs more data too? I think it's as complete as it can be.
The first coins from Burkina Faso are finally in our catalogue: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/burkina-faso-1.html
Thanks druzhynets for cutting the knot and validating the coins.
Now, let's just add the flag!
Woo Hoo !:wiz: Party tonight !
Former numista referee for Poland and half of african countries.
I invite you to my FB group about commemorative coins : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1635288620035921
Quote: "doc_man"​Woo Hoo !:wiz: Party tonight !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M
doc_man, CassTaylor, Essor Prof - you owe me the Ouagadougou dance ;)
ROMA AETERNA
I'll give you two:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiL3MV43Qe0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvEWCRJ4o1s
Hello !
yesterday get confirmation from MCI mint and from now on all coins from Burkina Faso at theirs site - MCI mint are a legal tender



Hallo,
ja alle diese Münzen sind in Burkina Faso gesetzliches Zahlungsmittel.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen


Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
Ich würde gerne wissen, ob dies ein gesetzliches Zahlungsmittel ist. Bitte überprüfen Sie einen Anhang.
Grüße,
Damian
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Regards,
Damian
Former numista referee for Poland and half of african countries.
I invite you to my FB group about commemorative coins : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1635288620035921
Quote: "jokinen"​This country's capital has a great name: Ouagadougou. I love to say it in repetition while dancing around a bonfire.

​ROFLMAO!!
Those coins are still fantasy issues, MCI is NOT a speaker for the BF gouvernment!
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Quote: "jokinen"​This country's capital has a great name: Ouagadougou. I love to say it in repetition while dancing around a bonfire.

​And they sure love Miffy over there. At least they know that Hello Kitty is a cheap knock-off of the critically acclaimed bunny.
​Used to be known as Upper Volta and has a revolution in 1984 led by Blaise Comparore.

Despite the name Burkina Faso, meaning "Led by honest men" - the country is very unstable and poor and had a recent attack by Islamic militants led by Boko Haram.

It is one of the poorest countries in the world.

Ougadougou in English African speech would be Wagadugu - ou and kou sounds are the signs of Francophone words.

I also got a lot of 419 scam emails from the place a few years ago from Rev Miracle Simeon, Marian Abacha, ukeke mokoko, Okorofor - which is strange as all those names are standard Nigerian ones.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
So another confirmation from the mint - CIT mint that is numista authorized website isn't worth anything ?
Former numista referee for Poland and half of african countries.
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I'm sorry,

but it has to be an OFFICIAL BF gouvernment statement telling that those coins are OK, certainly NOT the manufacturor (they'll confirm anything to sell theit fantasy coinsX-D)

Take care
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

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