Let's get tags for thematic coins! [solved]

I'd like to bump the idea of adding tags to coinpages ...

Personal tags would be useful to organise your own collection, but I'm now thinking about public tags.

Public tags would be very useful to organise thematic coins. But the possible tags should be organised.
I was thinking about starting a second collection with animal/plant coins, but how do I get to select these from all those hundreds of thousands of coins? Just searching for "animal", "bird", "plant" will only get me a small fraction of the coins available as probably only the species name (even in Latin) is in the description (you sure won't find this parrot), so I'll have to look through all (!!!) coins, country by country. But there are already people out here who collect birds, trees, cats, ... who could share the lists they have already compiled.

If we make a section of "nature" with tags like "birds", "trees", "plants", "mammals", "fish", "other animals", ... then those people could add these tags to their collection + wishlist, so that other collectors (like me) could use the work they already did. Similarly there is a section of "transport", with section of "boats", "trains" ... of course maybe you only collect sailships, but if you only have to search through a few thousand ships/canoes/submarines/... it's already easier than through the whole numista collection. Maybe even sub-tags could be created if there is enough enthousiasm.

But I would restrict the creation of tags to themes that are already being collected (actively), so that they could be quickly added to those coins. There is no point having a tag for "fish" if only 5 pages have been tagged. And like with all info on here, once there is a basic list of coins under a theme, it can be expanded and corrected by other users.

Of course these theme-tags won't always be clear, so the theme-collectors should have their spot on the forum to discuss tagging. For example, collecting mammals I'm not interested in all those heraldic lions on a CoA. But maybe there is someone out there only collecting Coats of Arms? ;-)

Please, theme-collectors out there ... let yourselves be heard (and save others the trouble of wading through all coins). What themes do you collect and is there a possibility to get your collection into a general theme-structure?

I agree I like this idea and can see good benefits for Numista from this. Its implementation should be possible but would probably take quite a bit of work.

One of the biggest updates I would like to see! I would call it "Categories" though instead of tags. On a coin page, you would have a drop down list that shows your categories, with an additional option as "Add new category". Then you could add it to whichever one you want. Best case would be a check list, to be able to add the multiple categories at once.

+2.718281

It's an amazing idea.

Not a new, but still a great offer. The catalog would be more convenient.

Nice idea,
but I strongly suggest to use the term "TAG" that it is perfect for this kind of classification (it is the term currently used in the word for that).
To avoid confusion, tags should be added by the administrators, whereas Numista users may suggest them.
Furthermore, they should be added without worrying about the current number of taggable coins.

Great idea!

Pretty much what I need for the FAO Series...

Any progress on this proposal?

Bump

Many other things in the list are on the wait list before this one but idea was agreed during last meeting, no date yet for implementation.

Thanks for the update!

Hello,

It is not a good idea. It is just a gadget.
Now we have descriptions. If key words are in the description, then you get the coins via the searches.
Now take your example with animals. If you collect animals, you need animal tag, if you collect cat you need cat tag, if you collect big cats, felines, then another tag. etc.
And someone to tick the tags.
We have a catalogue were the descriptions are not fully filled. With tags it would be the same.

My point is that rather than a new gadget, it would be great if people doing thematic collections could write in the descriptions the keywords. It does not solve the problem of which words but would help to move forward.

Quote: "Ecapoe"​
​Now we have descriptions. If key words are in the description, then you get the coins via the searches.
​

​Hi
If you want to call the tags keywords, no problem. But for now we don't use keywords in the coinsheets, just descriptions. Maybe the easiest solution would indeed be to add a field for keywords, but if you can fill in any word you like ... how do you get any order in the list so you can search the keywords. If I'm looking for lifelike lions, I'd already be happy to be able to search for lions and only having to ignore the heraldic ones, it would surely save me days of searching through all coins. No system will be perfect for everyone, let's find one that's kind of useful for most.

Furthermore, we should try to find an easier way to "tag" certain coins to a "keyword" than having to edit every single page ... imagine having to do that for every sailboat-coin in the Numista database!

Looking forward to any workable way to sort coins into a themes.

Quote: "BramVB"​

Quote: "Ecapoe"​
​​Now we have descriptions. If key words are in the description, then you get the coins via the searches.
​​
​
​
​
​

​​Hi
​If you want to call the tags keywords, no problem. But for now we don't use keywords in the coinsheets, just descriptions. Maybe the easiest solution would indeed be to add a field for keywords, but if you can fill in any word you like ... how do you get any order in the list so you can search the keywords. If I'm looking for lifelike lions, I'd already be happy to be able to search for lions and only having to ignore the heraldic ones, it would surely save me days of searching through all coins. No system will be perfect for everyone, let's find one that's kind of useful for most.
​
​Furthermore, we should try to find an easier way to "tag" certain coins to a "keyword" than having to edit every single page ... imagine having to do that for every sailboat-coin in the Numista database!
​
​Looking forward to any workable way to sort coins into a themes.

​Well, it is done for most boats in the database ! I have mainly focussed on french side, but if you put *boat*
In the search in en, you get quite a bit. There is still some work needed to go to more detail, motor vs sail for example, but i think it is workable.
I would suggest to use the "cooperative" projects to do those mass changes in the catalogue. That is Numista's power, ask user's interest !
As for keywords, it is stated "description with keywords" in theinstructions.

I'm also using the worldofcoins site and here is their "Thematic' board
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?board=60.0

Ole

With a field with tags we would have avoided the laborious reorganization of countries, since the tags are much more flexible.

Quote: "Sjoelund"​I'm also using the worldofcoins site and here is their "Thematic' board
​http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?board=60.0
​
​Ole

​This idea of threads were users answer to create slowly a thematic list is not bad.
I like the way they are organized.
It has been used here for animals https://fr.numista.com/forum/topic48825.html and links therein.
I personally did something with sailing boats https://fr.numista.com/forum/topic55636.html and https://fr.numista.com/forum/topic47038.html
etc.
It would be a matter to be organized and dig them out of the forum and have them listed somehow.
The animal one was particularly elaborate (1 coin per species with full id of the animal).
Sorry, in french

Reviving this topic (thanks to ZacUK for sending me the link). Anyway there are many different categories I could see there.
Plus I add some examples

• ​Living animals
  

Many, many coins... Uruguayan, Colombian present coins, many African countries...

• Heraldry (coat of arms, stylised lions etc. - everything not really depicting a living animal)
  

Like Belgium, UK, Czechoslovakia/Czech Rep., also including coat of arms with animals - those could show up in both heraldry and liv.animals

• Mythical/legendary creatures - Pegasus, Unicorn etc.
  
• Flora
  
• Ships
  

I am sure there are some coins with other human-built marine structures but I don´t know whether it should be a whole thing

• Natural scenery
  

Like Slovak 20h and 1-5 euro cents depicting Kriváň mountain in High Tatras

• Human-built ground structures
  

Both old (like castles) and new ones.

Any other suggestions what could be used as a theme tag ?

• People ( honored ones )
  

Quote: "trvrhldr"​

• People ( honored ones )
  ​
  

​

​Expanding on this one a little bit;

I think it's a good idea to seperate "famous people" into subcategories; e.g. scientists, monarchs, explorers, politicians, etc.

same could apply for animals - having domesticated and wildlife
as there are lots of coins depicting sheeps, goats, cows/bulls, cats and dogs and many others

Quote: "superman43"​same could apply for animals - having domesticated and wildlife
​as there are lots of coins depicting sheeps, goats, cows/bulls, cats and dogs and many others

​Animals could be split many ways; domestic/wildlife, mammal/fish/bird/reptile/amphibian, just to mention a few.

Monuments/statues, Architecture, Sports (specifically football, table tennis, tennis, etc.) and more...

Yeah, there are many possibilities and most of the coins would need at least 2 tags.

There will be set list of tags, so nobody would start inventing tags on their own.

You can discuss about what tags we would need and prepare some lists of possible tags.

Quote: "Jarcek"​There will be set list of tags, so nobody would start inventing tags on their own.
​
​You can discuss about what tags we would need and prepare some lists of possible tags.

​Great!

Quote: "Jarcek"​There will be set list of tags, so nobody would start inventing tags on their own.
​
​You can discuss about what tags we would need and prepare some lists of possible tags.

​And please try to make it bilingual.
I am sorry to see that increasing number of referees make no effort to translate sheet's data, even metal or shape

Quote: "Ecapoe"​

Quote: "Jarcek"​There will be set list of tags, so nobody would start inventing tags on their own.
​​
​​You can discuss about what tags we would need and prepare some lists of possible tags.

​​And please try to make it bilingual.
​I am sorry to see that increasing number of referees make no effort to translate sheet's data, even metal or shape

​You make a good point there...

I often try, but by the time I'm done making the EN side uniform, I usually have little time/energy/patience left to do the FR side. Thankfully (for new coins at least) a helpful user (hernan4590) regularly does them for me in FR catalogue.

We need some sort of automated translator for common words (silver, gold, copper/ argent, or, cuivre) for the catalogue.

I have good news on all fronts it seems. Yes, tags will be bilingual from the beginning and automated translations and corrections are only waiting to be implemented by Xavier.

Quote: "Jarcek"​I have good news on all fronts it seems. Yes, tags will be bilingual from the beginning and automated translations and corrections are only waiting to be implemented by Xavier.

​Yay.

Hello,
This is implemented
You can now add tags to a coin and search for the coins that have a tag. It also works for the wishlist.

Hello,
On a practical point of view, it is as much work to add a tag as it was to put the keyword in the description.
Open the coin sheet, open the usual modification window, add the tag, fill justification, wait for validation.
So it does not add much. If we want the tag system to work and be really used, it has to be much quicker and easy.
Just for an example, I have spent lots of time adding the key words "bateau" or "ship" for coins, I am not going to redo all that for the same tag, sorry.
I would suggest a short cut, like a right click on a coin wherever you are in a coin list that opens just a "tag modification" sub window with only the tag menu, not the whole modification window where you have to scroll down, look for the tag etc.. Plus it is not really necessary to have to justify the source of info for tagging. It is usually obvious. The source is the coin itself.

Second, the "tag" system is nice when it is associated to a place in general pages where you can access to the tags on a single click. You know, like in blogs, those lists of words of increasing size depending on the number of posts with the corresponding tag. Not having to go to regular search pages. That lacks and could be a good complement.

Good luck

How about admins adding a "map" tag to all Euro coins (which can be used in general circulation) in one go?