10 Milliemes 1972 - Sudan, Variation & error?

I have 15 coins of the 10 milliemes 1972. However, I found a variation and want to check that out.
Differences between the two versions:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8315.html
Note: Version 1 is the one shown in the coin's page (9 copies), version 2 is what I found in my collection (6 copies).

1) Three lines exist under the bird's beak in version 1 while missing in the other,
2) Two lines exist behind the eye of the bird in version 1 while missing in the other,
3) The whole emblem looks noticeably bigger in version 1,
4) The dates are bolder in version 1,
5) The space at the bottom (two closed shapes) of the bird is stripped in version one while not in version 2,
6) The dots in the last letter of the word (جمهورية) is missing in version 1,
7) The orientation in version 1 in accordance to the notches is different, the end of the left wing of the bird in version 1 meets the notch in a concave, while in version 2 in a convex.

There might exist other differences which I couldn't catch. Pictures are shown below:
V1


V2


Now we come to the errors (presumably).

Error 1: From V2, I found the coin below, the error is in the rim (double, I guess) and orientation in accordance to the notches (it has orientation of V1) :


Error 2: From V1, one coin has the orientation of V2.


Anyone has any thoughts, comments, or corrections?

Regards.

I think differences 5 & 6 are the most noticeable ones .. it's interesting..
I will wait for other opinions, then will add a new line for the variety if agreed upon

thanks a lot!

Paul Baker discussed varieties that dealt with the design and notches. I would hope our variety experts will chime in.

Hi,

If I could get the V1 image without the yellow indications, I could try to set up a documentation in my usual form?



I just checked my collection and this year I'm missing, so I can't use my own images.....

Also you should ask David Mikeladze, who is an expert in Sudan coins.

Ole

Quote: "Sjoelund"​Hi,
​
​If I could get the V1 image without the yellow indications, I could try to set up a documentation in my usual form?
​

​Sure.

Quote: "Oklahoman"​Paul Baker discussed varieties that dealt with the design and notches. I would hope our variety experts will chime in.

​We should of have a feature where people can recommend a topic to a member!

Hi,

here it is, I couldn't put more differences into it, but the significant ones are there.



Ole

Hi,

now to the error coins. I cannot really confirm the double rim, but for sure the different scallop positions. I should probably amend my documentation because of that? Into something like this?



Ole

Quote: "Sjoelund"​Hi,
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​now to the error coins. I cannot really confirm the double rim, but for sure the different scallop positions. I should probably amend my documentation because of that? Into something like this?
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​Ole

​Probably. But the thing is I only found one coin from each version having the orientation of the other one, so we can't really confirm whether it's a variation or an error. Unless some experts look into the issue, hopefully!

Lucky you,

I still don't have that year in my collection in any of the varieties.

I'm still waiting for Dato Mikeladze to come back on this.

In the meantime you can make a change request to use your images on the coin link, since your images are far better, than those of David... I'll also leave you the pleasure of making the change request using my documentation of the variants.

Ole

Hello, dear friends!
Glad to see new variations of Sudan 10 m.

Congratulations, Ole!
Well, first of all we must realize that it is just 1-year coin, so impossible to have a lot of variations.
Im agree to underline two versions:
1. Secretary bird with beard and toes
2. Secretary bird without beard and toes.

I think in these two types we can definitely say that they are NOT a result of die heavy usage or so. We cannot say that this is weak struck as well, because I found quite a lot copies in very UNC condition, where not any trace of toes or beard.

Regarding other small details, like dots over Ta-marbuta, I think it is a result of heavy usage of dies, or some other manufacturing problems, which are very common for Khartum MInt ( Thats why we all love it so much !)

In both varietes , I guess, sub-varieties of scallops shouold be added, like " varieties of 2/2 or 1/1 scallops on 6/12 o`clock exists" ( I found also a lot of varieties in the Internet with 2/2 and 1/1 scallops for both versions) .
Anyway, congratulations!
yours
David

Thanks everyone for your contributions.

I've added the extra year lines, and notes in the comments section. Let me know if it looks ok.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8315.html

PS: Don't you think number of notches is just random? that they just punch the coin regardless of planchet orientation? Similar to how we get random edge lettering readable from obv/rev on top.

I sould say - Yes, - its random. thats why I suggested to underline just two varieties, and 2/2 - 1/1 scallops just noted in comment or so. - not as separate line.
thanks
D

Quote: "Sjoelund"​Lucky you,
​
​I still don't have that year in my collection in any of the varieties.
​
​I'm still waiting for Dato Mikeladze to come back on this.
​
​In the meantime you can make a change request to use your images on the coin link, since your images are far better, than those of David... I'll also leave you the pleasure of making the change request using my documentation of the variants.
​
​Ole

​Cool. I see that your documentation is already added. I'll add the pics soon :)

Quote: "Dato Mikeladze"​Hello, dear friends!
​Glad to see new variations of Sudan 10 m.
​
​Congratulations, Ole!
​Well, first of all we must realize that it is just 1-year coin, so impossible to have a lot of variations.
​Im agree to underline two versions:
​1. Secretary bird with beard and toes
​2. Secretary bird without beard and toes.
​
​I think in these two types we can definitely say that they are NOT a result of die heavy usage or so. We cannot say that this is weak struck as well, because I found quite a lot copies in very UNC condition, where not any trace of toes or beard.
​
​Regarding other small details, like dots over Ta-marbuta, I think it is a result of heavy usage of dies, or some other manufacturing problems, which are very common for Khartum MInt ( Thats why we all love it so much !)
​
​In both varietes , I guess, sub-varieties of scallops shouold be added, like " varieties of 2/2 or 1/1 scallops on 6/12 o`clock exists" ( I found also a lot of varieties in the Internet with 2/2 and 1/1 scallops for both versions) .
​Anyway, congratulations!
​yours
​David

​Thanks Dato. That's so helpful.

Cheers!