Checking Schon catalog (free official small online copy, 2010), I noticed these 2 coins of Sudan, unlisted in Krause, but listed in Schon as #A95 & #95 with pictures!
they are listed as AH1422/2001, but look more like 1422/3? / 2002 to me.
However, no single coin was issued in 2001 and only 1 coin issued in 2002 of 50 Dinars https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8767.html
No pictures online at all online of these 2.
Any idea about these? Does someone have a newer version with more info maybe?
Shall I add them to the catalog?
The dates on your pictures aren't clearly visible but in my Schön (edition 2015) you can clearly see (with a jewelry loupe) it's definitely 2001 for both coins and AH1422 for the 50 piastres. The AH date on the 1 piastre I can't see clearly, but because the 2001 is correct, I'm pretty sure the AH1422 is correct too.
The description of the coin says the denomination is 1 and 50 "Qirshan" in stead of 1 and 50 "Piastre(s)". Maybe that was an error and therefore the coins were never released. That could explain why there is no value written for these coins: -,- (and why they are not in Krause).
These two coins were trial version never appear here in Sudan, and during that period the official was the dinar not Qirsh (piastres in English).
Those coins are similar to 50 Qirsh of 1989 the period before the Dinar coins.
The Dinar coins produced in 1994 until 2003 then come the pound (=100 Qirsh) in 2006, so it's very strange that those two coins were in 2001 and in Qirsh.
I saw this before and I seek explanation however no logic, but a trail came wrongly.
thank AmerSalmeh for discussing this important issue
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"hi, yes I seen these coin, and have a thought that Gunter and Gerhardt used those coins ( my pictures) for publication. One of my friends found these coins in Sudan at the street market, they were in used condition, that means that they probably were in circulation at least for a short time.
So, they are definitely not trial or pattern coins, as they were found among hundred s of worn and used coins."
I agree with Emad that the Dinar didn't have sub-divisions hence it was weird to issue Qirsh coins. Also, the mint initially issued 1/4 and 1/2 Dinar coins but they were never released into circulation, most possibly due to their small value. The Dinar currency was introduced as = 10 Pounds.
So, it does not sound logical to issue even smaller sub-divisions at 2001.
I disagree that it looks like the 1989 coin. The only coin that looks similar to these 2 is the 50 Dinars 2002, and it's issued only 1 year after. I find this very interesting.
Also, according to Schon, the metal is brass plated steel, weight of 3g for both, diameter of 18 and 18.5. And that matches the ¼ Dinar specifications.
Meanwhile, Dato is looking for the pictures he once had. Hope he can find them and add them to the coin sheets. Thanks a lot again everyone.
Few more mysteries! Thanks to "Handzumgrus" for info from Schon 2016.
1) Above the 2 mentioned #95 & A95; A94 also exists!
50 Dinars coin, dated 1421-2000, very similar to the later issued coin (1423-2002); but with "Dinar" below "50"; unlike the issued 50 Dinars (KM# 121, Schön# 98) where "Dinar" is left to "50".
A pattern?
added here https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces114703.html
3) Back to the 1st pound, 2 coins of 5 and 10 Qirsh (#85 & A85), dated 1409-1989. Very similar to the same series of coins issued in 1989 but in 25 Qirsh, 50 Qirsh, and 1 pound denominations only.
Possibly issued but never released into circulation for some reason?
However, some coins - including recent ones - are not listed, and some metals, weights and diameters vary with Krause values. Which makes me doubt the accuracy of the info provided in the book ...
Yes the coins listed in Bank of Sudan pdf are not all real, many are trial, one of my friend he participate in a numismatic exhibition regulated by bank of Sudan. He asked them about those strange coins in the pdf document and the answer was it just be put in the museum book by the editors (no numismatic specialist opinion on which was real and which was just trial.
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but even if they are just pattern or trial pieces, they were issued, right? even if 1 piece was minted by the central bank, this means that the coin does exist.
The only case of not listing these would be if these coins were only plans on paper but never minted physically, and I dont think it's the case.
According to Dato: "They exist only in bank museum or so, but several high level collectors got some of them as well"
Welcome Amro
that's amazing!!!
please can you post pictures of the other side of each coin?
also please add pictures of all other trial coins you have!!
