Hello,
I tried to add an ancient coin. A theme were are definitely not my skills. So I hoped that a referee would help by adding some missing informations.
This was not my first coin. And I think not the first coin with mistakes from me:
But for this behaviour I´m speechless:
rejecting without giving a reason
And no motivation to help.
Yes a referee gets no money for his job. But no-one forces you to be a referee.
If you don´t make a good job please let other people do your job...
I helped tens of people to make their requests correct but most people - including you- just think that a page with a poor amount of informations, which is unacceptable considering the rules that you probably didn't check before creating your request, is enough. But it's not.
And as I wrote, my job doesn't consist to remind rules that everyone should read by themselves.
Quote: "KAISERKILLERfr08"I helped tens of people to make their requests correct but most people - including you- just think that a page with a poor amount of informations, which is unacceptable considering the rules that you probably didn't check before creating your request, is enough. But it's not.
And as I wrote, my job doesn't consist to remember rules that everyone should read by themselves.
Quote: "KAISERKILLERfr08"I helped tens of people to make their requests correct but most people - including you- just think that a page with a poor amount of informations, which is unacceptable considering the rules that you probably didn't check before creating your request, is enough. But it's not.
And as I wrote, my job doesn't consist to remind rules that everyone should read by themselves.
The people who are rude are the ones who don't respect the referees by thinking they are here to compensate the lack of serious showed by many people in adding coins to the catalogue.
By experience I know that for a certain type of request, It will necessit around three of four demands of modification, each time with incredibly long explanations. At the end the result is far to be spotless and after validation I have to work personaly on the page to obtain finally a valuable result.
I have no more time to lose with people who refuse to do their part of the work, so now I adopt the zero tolerance principle concerning requests which doesn't respect the most basic rules.
I never said that I don’t respect your decision. I wanted just to know the reason.
If you have no time to help people without this great knowledge of you, I respect this.
but please respect my opinion that you should drop your job and make place for someone having time and motivation.
thanks
Receiving hundreds of disrespectful requests during two years kill the motivation of everyone. The problem is not me but people who think they can ignore the guideline and who aren't interested in having a look to what was doing previously in the concerned "country" to have a model to inspire themselves in creating their pages. Basically the problem is the people who doesn't care of the quality of the catalogue.
You are right. In my opinion it´s better to have a coin in the catalog with just the half of information than having not this coin in the catalog.
Maybe you are right, maybe I´m right. I don´t know.
But you always talk about the basic rules: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/instructions.php
Please read them careful:
"This page lists the directions for creating, enhancing or fixing the catalog pages. Thanks for following them as much you can.
A page describes a coin type. It may group several variations whenever a small design detail varies. On the other hand, if the coin uses a different metal, create another page.
When fields use free text, use lower caps. Use upper caps only for the first letter in sentences or names. Do not type all upper caps.
Also, please, use good writing, spelling and syntax. For all fields, you'd better leave them blank than enter erroneous information. Skip them if you aren't sure...."
By the way: you are member of the numista team. Have you ever spent a thought about the meaning of the word "team"?
Have a good day!
That's super nice ! Let's published every request, even if 75% of data is missing, we will have a wonderful catalog.
The goal of a page is to be useful for the communauty, not to make its creator happy because he has a page for his coin. No page is preferable to a useless page.
I can understand that sometimes external things can affect your mood and it can be transferred into here. It has happened to me on multiple occasions. I agree that it's not the job of a referee to read the rules however, there's no need to reject just ask they modify it. If it takes four times take them at your own pace there's no real time constraint. Most people do understand we have lives and we're just keen collectors like themselves who are doing it for the good of the catalogue which we're also passionate about !
This site is supposed to be a Wiki. If you look at Wikipedia the pages do not always have all the information when they are entered into the site. The pages are included so people can search for them, and add to them as they can.
To me the Numista catalogue is the same. It's better to have the coins listed on the site so people can search for them, the extra information can always be added later as people with more knowledge can fill in the blanks.
There are around 40 000 different types of Greek coins. Do you really think that a page without a right title, descriptions, datation or satisfying illustration of the coin (If I remember well,alamir used photos of his hardly damaged coin, almost illegible. Thanks to him) can be improved later ? No, it can't be, because a such page is completely useless.
When I began as referee for Greece, most of the pages were poorly filled and I passed two months to complete them because to fill an uncompleted page of a Greek coin, it requires hours of research to find the exact type (a problem that you, dear referees of modern countries, don't know) . I don't want to make it again because of inconsequential people.
Say what? I can assure you that he's pretty consequential to me.
I hoped that with the dismissal of that awful Munt kid we had moved on from this kind of spiteful, condescending arrogance. Perhaps not.
How sad.
I hope this is just some temporary lapse and not a reflection of your real nature. Perhaps you ought to step back and reflect on how this looks to the wider community.... you just can't treat people this way.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Quote: "KennyG"Ok you might be right but you're also an ***hole
Come on, what is the value of the opinion of a loutish guy, who was during a time suspected of theft and who destroyed the work of the the referees a countless number of time ?
Strangely no one want to talk about the heart of the problem which is : what type of request should be accepted or refused, regarding the fact that it's not enough filled.
If you want to talk about how Alamir is a wonderful guy, with all the qualities of the word and how it is a shame that he faced an "arrogant" referee, who is, as it was elegantly said, an "***hole", I'm not really interested to continue this conversation.
Quote: "KAISERKILLERfr08"There are around 40 000 different types of Greek coins. Do you really think that a page without a right title, descriptions, datation or satisfying illustration of the coin (If I remember well,alamir used photos of his hardly damaged coin, almost illegible. Thanks to him) can be improved later ? No, it can't be, because a such page is completely useless.
When I began as referee for Greece, most of the pages were poorly filled and I passed two months to complete them because to fill an uncompleted page of a Greek coin, it requires hours of research to find the exact type (a problem that you, dear referees of modern countries, don't know) . I don't want to make it again because of inconsequential people.
I don't think I have a Greek example (and in some other ancient series I regularly used the vagueness of existing pages as an opportunity to include my coin that was of a very similar type but not exactly the same variety), but there's an almost perfect Russian example that will probably illustrate this quite well.
I have a pulo from Tver. (Two of them, actually, apparently the same type.)
For over a year after I registered (and a while before that), the best page I could get for a Tver pulo was this one. Pretty much the perfect example of an unfinished page.
From what I could just barely see of the pics, the legend looked more like a Moscow pulo than a Tver pulo, but I knew that my type of Tver pulo did have a bird on it (and I wasn't sure if the Moscow one did*).
If I wanted, I could have probably put my example there. (If it gained me a new country, I definitely would have. I had plenty of other coins from Russia - Empire, however.)
Fast forward to May 2017, and there's suddenly a lot of newly made pages for Russian wire money types. (Um, thanks to whoever made them!)
One of them was a well-formatted page for my type of Tver pulo - which I proceeded to immediately enter.
You get the difference, right? Look at that first page I linked. This is basically what the referees are rejecting today.
*) as it turned out, it did, though I'm still not sure if that's the same type
The page you created is correct and if I had to check it I would have published it.
Unfortunately, all the refused pages are out of access and I can't show you, but clearly the kind of requests that I refuse is much less completed than the page you created.
Everyone should have a look to the title of the page created by Alamir : "AE (Arpi)". First of all, I can't understand that someone who has created hundreds of pages don't know that putting the name of the issuing city in parenthesise makes no sense.
Secondly, who thinks seriously that writing "AE" in a title is useful ? It's bronze, OK, so let's indicate it in the field "metal". You did that because you don't know what is the value of the coin ?
OK, so make some researchs - as I did when I began as referee and as I do when I add a new coin - to find this information. You don't find the information ? So ask to the forum or to me by message, but please never send a request with that type of title.
As I said. I have no idea of greece coins. So I hoped that the referee would help. My fault.
I have to think always on a doorman from a club. An IQ similar to my shoe size. In the real life a big fat 0. But he has the power to make some guys a bad day. And he enjoys...
Exactly what a referee should not seek to identify coins. For this we can use the forum (Coin identifications and valuations) to upload our photos, weight, dimensions.
Quote: "Cyrillius"Exactly what a referee should not seek to identify coins. For this we can use the forum (Coin identifications and valuations) to upload our photos, weight, dimensions.
Nicely said.
I would add that it's a pleasure for me to help people who faced difficulties with their greek coins. Tens of people on the french forum can attest that, and, as no one had noticed it, when I see an identification request concerning a greek coin with no valuable answer on the english forum, I take time to make a search and to bring as much information as possible.
What I can't support is people who think they can create a page without doing any effort to gather a minimum of informations. It's impossible to collect greek coins while being a lazybones.
Even if you're right (which I still contend) There are ways of doing things that don't make you look like an arrogant wanker. You talk about the rules....how about the number 1 rule on the forum guidelines
Respect the members of the site by avoiding derogatory and upsetting messages, as well as non-constructive criticism. Be polite and courteous. Words like "hello" and "thank you" are highly welcome.
To the heart of the problem: Request should be recognizable.
For modern coins, this is very much easier. Ancient coins are harder to identify, so dimensions and catalogue number (and of course photos) should be included.
I have seen the request, and to be fair, both dimensions and catalogue number was missing and the photos were not good. But we all get bad requests, and there is no need to reject it right away and be ignorant and rude to the member who (apparently) knows very little about Greek coins.
Referees are here to validate and help people with their requests (that is what Request modifications button is for) to help people with the country coinage - questions and so on, and to work by themselves on ehancing the catalogue.
And again and again. My problem was not that you rejected the coin. If the my infos are bad. They are bad. Point.
but the way you did.
andby the way: if the city name is always a stupid fact in the title: please drop french cities and german notgeld. A lot of stupid people created there such kind of pages
I consider that Alamir didn't respect my work by his attitude. I have no reason to be lovable with him.
Jarcek : for that kind of request, the modification request texte would be around 150 words long. The interface the referee use to check the requests is not make to write such long modification demand. It's a pure technical problem and I asked Xavier many times to have a more adapted interface, for no resulte until now.
It's a real calvary to ask for modifications when there are plenty problems on a request, due to the interface, and I'm not masochistic. So, when I see that the people who made the request didn't do it seriously, I delete it. If the request has lacks or problems whereas it appeared clearly that the creator is full of goodwill, we work on it to make it acceptable.
I always worked like that. If you want to be treated well, treat the others well. This is my only one rule when I work on a creation request.
Quote: "alamir"And again and again. My problem was not that you rejected the coin. If the my infos are bad. They are bad. Point.
but the way you did.
andby the way: if the city name is always a stupid fact in the title: please drop french cities and german notgeld. A lot of stupid people created there such kind of pages
You were right when you decided to indicate the name of the City in the title, but you were wrong when you decided to put in between parenthesis. It's one of the two most important informations in a title (the other one is the value), why put it in parenthesis ? It's a non sens.
Let's put it straight: 80% of the requests are garbage. This is true. I edit each one of them yet still don't abuse people. Sometimes I ask them to edit the sheet, but in most of the cases I do it myself. I wish all the people read the catalog guidelines but it is as it is. I don't want to discourage people from contributing to the catalog, I am grateful for what they do.
Once a week I check the pending requests for other referees and sometimes I do accept them on my own. But there are countries where I don't have enough resources to act - ancient countries. In my opinion, there must be done way much more effort in that section of the catalog. Some requests are pending for few months now. Ancient part of the catalog is a disgrace. I hope it will change one day.
How exactly did Alamir "disrespect your work with his attitude"?
From what I see, he tried to enter a coin, you rejected it, he quite reasonably asked for a reason why it was rejected
This whole incident could have been avoided if instead of the rude "It's not my job to read you the rules" comment, you had just said something like "The page did not have sufficient information" and then outline a couple of things that would bring the page up to standard.
Quote: "neilithic"This whole incident could have been avoided if instead of the rude "It's not my job to read you the rules" comment, you had just said something like "The page did not have sufficient information" and then outline a couple of things that would bring the page up to standard.
If Jarcek understood immediately the problems of Alamir request, why should I explained to Alamir the problems of his request ? There were obvious. Let's quote Jarcek :
"I have seen the request, and to be fair, both dimensions and catalogue number was missing and the photos were not good"
Quote: "druzhynets"Let's put it straight: 80% of the requests are garbage. This is true. I edit each one of them yet still don't abuse people. Sometimes I ask them to edit the sheet, but in most of the cases I do it myself. I wish all the people read the catalog guidelines but it is as it is. I don't want to discourage people from contributing to the catalog, I am grateful for what they do.
Once a week I check the pending requests for other referees and sometimes I do accept them on my own. But there are countries where I don't have enough resources to act - ancient countries. In my opinion, there must be done way much more effort in that section of the catalog. Some requests are pending for few months now. Ancient part of the catalog is a disgrace. I hope it will change one day.
The reason of the large number of pending requests is that It takes time to check seriously requests for ancient countries. Personnaly, I'm not ashamed to confess that, for the first time in two or three years, I have pending requests since march in my country - and these requests are globaly well filled. The reason is yet I don't have hours to consecrate to search for precise verifications. I only have the time to sort and to throw the garbage.
Quote: "druzhynets"Let's put it straight: 80% of the requests are garbage. This is true. I edit each one of them yet still don't abuse people. Sometimes I ask them to edit the sheet, but in most of the cases I do it myself. I wish all the people read the catalog guidelines but it is as it is. I don't want to discourage people from contributing to the catalog, I am grateful for what they do.
Once a week I check the pending requests for other referees and sometimes I do accept them on my own. But there are countries where I don't have enough resources to act - ancient countries. In my opinion, there must be done way much more effort in that section of the catalog. Some requests are pending for few months now. Ancient part of the catalog is a disgrace. I hope it will change one day.
The reason of the large number of pending requests is that It takes time to check seriously requests for ancient countries. Personnaly, I'm not ashamed to confess that, for the first time in two or three years, I have pending requests since march in my country - and these requests are globaly well filled. The reason is yet I don't have hours to consecrate to search for precise verifications. I only have the time to sort and to throw the garbage.
I understand your pain. Unfortunately, ancient countries are extremely time-consuming and catalogs are harder to find.
And that is exactly the thing. This sentence(or similar) should have been passed to Alamir. I know it is sometines hard to show restraint, but referees should do that.
I know you do that, I got my own requests rejected by you in a good way after discussion becausee of missing measurements and reference. And that is ok, even though many referees are far more liberal. You do it conservative way, ok, both have pros and cons.
Alamir already said he has made mistakes in the creation process and now knows that you are conservative referee and require reference, measurements and other things for validation. I also belive he did not want to disrespect you work in any way.
Only thing I am asking you to be more polite, even though you are rejecting, to not discourage members from adding new coins.
(In the meantime I was writing, new messages appeared).
If you need help, we are a team, we should be helping each other.
I could start looking for a co-referee, or master admins can help you - you can always strike some deal, maybe they can help you working only on titles or check translations or anything you decide.
The reliance on catalog numbers sometimes creates a crazy situation where you can't enter your coin at all unless you know which exact specific variety it is, even when it is nearly impossible to tell for 90% of examples.
I used to point at Poland-Lithuania having a separate page for every single year and mint, but it's crazier for Russian wire money - every single KG variety has its own page, which is hard enough for earlier types but becomes entirely crazy for dated Peter I kopeks (where the difference between dies is tiny at best, and the usual version of the fourth volume ignores the reverse dies entirely - and before I accidentally found out about the Silver-Copeck site, I wasn't sure that the full fourth volume ever existed at all, because it's so extremely obscure).
Imagine if Morgan dollars had a separate page for every single VAM number. This is what the current Russian wire money situation looks like. And this is also is why many of my coins haven't been added to Numista yet - even when I know what the catalog is (which is not always the case for more obscure issues), to add them I'd have to know the exact catalog number, which means the exact sub-variety.
(See this thread for a specific example of how this happened to me with a coin from Indian states.
This is also why I still don't have anything from Phoenician cities - there's supposed to be a date in the exergue, and in the condition my coins are in... just look at this one, for example... I doubt I would be able to figure out those lines properly.)
Quote: "KAISERKILLERfr08"
If Jarcek understood immediately the problems of Alamir request, why should I explained to Alamir the problems of his request ? There were obvious.
the most important rule for any kind of moderator, in my opinion:
Don't assume that the requestor knows what you (or your colleagues) know.
Rule of thumb: if you have to do with a jerk, he probably doesn't know he is one.
And if you don't tell him what's wrong, he will ask you for it. That's not disrespectful, it's just being annoyed by arrogance.
And by the way, as the "rules" don't mention your point of how much information one should have available for a new coin, your reaction "read the rules" was just useless.
Quote: "KAISERKILLERfr08"
If Jarcek understood immediately the problems of Alamir request, why should I explained to Alamir the problems of his request ? There were obvious.
the most important rule for any kind of moderator, in my opinion:
Don't assume that the requestor knows what you (or your colleagues) know.
Rule of thumb: if you have to do with a jerk, he probably doesn't know he is one.
And if you don't tell him what's wrong, he will ask you for it. That's not disrespectful, it's just being annoyed by arrogance.
And by the way, as the "rules" don't mention your point of how much information one should have available for a new coin, your reaction "read the rules" was just useless.
That's not the point. Here it's not about specific knowledges on ancient Greek coins. It's a formal question. With more than 400 pages created, He is supposed to know that a page without good photos, dimensions, catalogue number, etc. can't be acceptable. Furthermore, he is assumed to had read the guideline before creating, as anyone.
pnightingale : that's a pity but it's your personal decision - even if it's seems to be no more than a caprice.
The Guidlines need refreshing and need some additional information.
To just delete a newly added coin sheet just because some information is missing should not be the way to go.
Asking to edit and a short letter what he/she should add is the way to proceed in such a case.
Creating coin pages is time consuming for the user who made them and every information that we can gain is and should be a valuable gain to our community and website.
Sure there are some extreme cases where I also deleted a request.
These are in general:
a) Coins that are already in the catalogue, then I will add a sentence that the coin is already on Numista and provide a link to the coin that is already existing.
b) Some additions are just too terrible to even ask to modify, but this case is very rare.
(Ex. I had a coin sheet that was added where the title said "I THINk THIS COINS IS GERMAN" and no other information whatsoever was included.) In this case yes I deleted the request saying that more information is needed to add a coin to the catalogue and told the person to ask on the forum for identification of the coin or else to read the guidelines to add coins to the catalogue.
As Referee of German States on average for every coin request I spend 5-10 minutes filling in missing information.
If too much is missing I ask to edit the request and fill missing information.
On average for German States I get about 5-20 new coin additions a week and tons more of smaller change requests. I try to always complete request latest within 1 week, in rare cases it can take a little bit longer.
Medieval coins can be just as hard as antique Greece and Roman coins with sometimes very or no information available.
No matter how annoying some request that you get are, be nice to our users here. Without all these members we as Numista would not be where we are now.
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I have just taken quite a while to read through all of the comments/replies regarding this situation.
Most of them seem valid, while some are downright rude and disrespectful, and those should no longer be allowed on this site.
Having looked through the 'latest coin', which I do often, I see many added without photographs, which I know is only one part of the issue with adding a coin, but it still brings me finally to my point.
Numista is for coin collectors and as such we can help each other, when possible, to add additional information to any coin/ token etc, so the continued advancement of the site.
Therefore, there should be set out, a system where a minimum amount of detail is added when first contributed to the site for validation. Everyone should then be aware of this as part of the rules, and referees, being generally, very nice people, will only reject those that are far away from this system, and be helpful to those that are close.
I have added over 1200 coins and at the beginning of my time on Numista, I made many mistakes, but through the kindness of the referees, I was assisted in pointing me in the right direction and now am a lot more confident in what is needed.
A bit of sympathy for any possible new collector may also go down well. We do not want to lose anyone, as they have solutions to missing information.
Quote: "KAISERKILLERfr08"
If Jarcek understood immediately the problems of Alamir request, why should I explained to Alamir the problems of his request ? There were obvious.
the most important rule for any kind of moderator, in my opinion:
Don't assume that the requestor knows what you (or your colleagues) know.
Rule of thumb: if you have to do with a jerk, he probably doesn't know he is one.
And if you don't tell him what's wrong, he will ask you for it. That's not disrespectful, it's just being annoyed by arrogance.
And by the way, as the "rules" don't mention your point of how much information one should have available for a new coin, your reaction "read the rules" was just useless.
That's not the point. Here it's not about specific knowledges on ancient Greek coins. It's a formal question. With more than 400 pages created, He is supposed to know that a page without good photos, dimensions, catalogue number, etc. can't be acceptable. Furthermore, he is assumed to had read the guideline before creating, as anyone.
pnightingale : that's a pity but it's your personal decision - even if it's seems to be no more than a caprice.
No Sir, nothing capricious in my DNA. I know my numismatic limitations and they firmly extend into your domain. I wouldn't enter the coin because I'm pretty sure it wouldn't meet your standards. I wouldn't like to cause you any further stress and anger or be though of as disrespectful and a person of no consequence.
This is our hobby, it's supposed to be a source of wonder and enjoyment. Don't take things so seriously. Alamir isn't the enemy he's a fellow collector trying to improve the catalog that we all make such great use of.
Why not end this conversation, there's clearly nothing new to be said and words once spoken can never be taken back. Take a bit of a break from the hard work and spend your time doing those numismatically themed things which give you pleasure instead of pain. Let Jarcek find a couple of suitable volunteers to help in clearing the backlog and taking some of the workload off your shoulders. I'm not being cynical or offering mere platitudes, I'm quite sincere when I say that I wish you peace of mind an a chance to restore your equilibrium.
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Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
What about making some cells mandatory to fill as a minimum, without this information a coin cannot be submitted, I have fill thousands of this kind of forms only, if the information is missing you cannot proceed with your request.
I have just applied for my government pension and some spaces had an asterisk next to the space to be filled.
If you fail to fill in this space, the form is not accepted.
Could this system be incorporated into the Numista system. There could then be no arguments from anyone as to the minimum requirements.
Just a thought
Hello,
Somewhere on the line someone talked about the forum.
When you don't really know about a coin, it would be best to ask support to the forum before submitting a request. So the referee is not the only one to have to look for missing info.
Quand l'Histoire et la Géographie se croisent sur nos pièces de monnaie ...
I don't mean to add fuel to the fire here but I generally support my fellow referee KAISERKILLER; as a modern countries' referee I recieve far less poorly filled out requests; but I can certainly appreciate the feeling when it looks like someone just added a page with a few lines of info. Usually I work on that page myself afterwards but I understand it's not so easy for ancient Greek coins.
I do not agree. I think that if you want to be a referee, you just need to be willing to deal with that. If that is to difficult,(not enough time for it), then you shouldn't be a referee (for that country). So as much as I don't like it m yself, it's just part of the job description.
I think everyone needs to be a lot more tolerant of each other. Some of the collectors may be very new and therefore, not fully understand what is needed, or appreciate the time in puting these errors right.
I still believe that a system re-write is needed to indicate lines of information that MUST be included when adding a coin.
This, as I have stated earlier in this forum, seems to be the best way forward.
I would suggest making the required fields customizable by the individual referees. I think we can all agree that there's a world of difference in the workload involved in Rome - Ancient and a short lived nation like Rhodesia. Some referees might be just overjoyed to find something new relating to their area whereas for others, it's a heavy burden.
If the system prevents submission of the new entry until the minimum amount of information decided by the referee has been input then it would remove the need for a lot of the hostility between well meaning contributors and over stretched referees.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Quote: "pnightingale"I would suggest making the required fields customizable by the individual referees. I think we can all agree that there's a world of difference in the workload involved in Rome - Ancient and a short lived nation like Rhodesia. Some referees might be just overjoyed to find something new relating to their area whereas for others, it's a heavy burden.
If the system prevents submission of the new entry until the minimum amount of information decided by the referee has been input then it would remove the need for a lot of the hostility between well meaning contributors and over stretched referees.
Quote: "pnightingale"I would suggest making the required fields customizable by the individual referees. I think we can all agree that there's a world of difference in the workload involved in Rome - Ancient and a short lived nation like Rhodesia. Some referees might be just overjoyed to find something new relating to their area whereas for others, it's a heavy burden.
If the system prevents submission of the new entry until the minimum amount of information decided by the referee has been input then it would remove the need for a lot of the hostility between well meaning contributors and over stretched referees.
That's a great idea ! Now let's wait one or two years before it will be implemented.
Quote: "nthn"I do not agree. I think that if you want to be a referee, you just need to be willing to deal with that. If that is to difficult,(not enough time for it), then you shouldn't be a referee (for that country). So as much as I don't like it m yself, it's just part of the job description.
It's not so much difficult, nor do I not have enough time to deal with it, nor do I not want to particularly; but it's hard to not roll your eyes and curse when you see something like 'OLD FRENCH JETON'. I'm perfectly willing to deal with it, but it's simply stupid when someone makes an entry without even a note on the side explaining 'sorry I could not provide more info.....'. Even for new contributors there is a guide .
I loosen my criteria a bit for loosey-goosey definition coins' countries like French cities, where I generally let entries in as long as there's at least something given the ambiguous nature of that section.
I will normally make an allowance for new members and give some assistance by editing their contribution but if it is an established member who should know better then I will politely refer them to the catalogue guidelines and reject their request with an explanation.
Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.
Quote: "KAISERKILLERfr08"There are around 40 000 different types of Greek coins. Do you really think that a page without a right title, descriptions, datation or satisfying illustration of the coin (If I remember well,alamir used photos of his hardly damaged coin, almost illegible. Thanks to him) can be improved later ? No, it can't be, because a such page is completely useless.
When I began as referee for Greece, most of the pages were poorly filled and I passed two months to complete them because to fill an uncompleted page of a Greek coin, it requires hours of research to find the exact type (a problem that you, dear referees of modern countries, don't know) . I don't want to make it again because of inconsequential people.
From my point of view: You are clearly not fit to be a referee. This was a very sad read.
No arguments, so your self opinion based on a feeling has no value (thus I don't care). Furthermore you haven't the empiric background to juge my way of managing my countries. Bye bye.
Hello friends, I strongly believe, in this, I want to share a experience with you all. I want to add this token to Numista https://en.numista.com/forum/topic60588.html
As I want to have information about it specially I wanted to know who was the engraver.
I thought may be the referee of British India know some thing about this piece, and maybe he have not noticed this topic. So I PM him and requested him to Kindly share his valuable thoughts. But astonishingly he didn't have a courtesy event to reply in PM or in topic, I know his is not God who knows everything, but at least he can reply.. I have seen him commenting on another topic So I guess he saw my post and ignored it.
Sorry, my be my mistake..... After following the inbox and topic for many days, I lost hope that he will reply, and he replied many days later, I guess I should be more Patient ....
