How is possible that new numista members without any complete swaps (lets us not talk about the absence of oins in their swaplist) may offer buy/sell trades!
I still see Numista as a site where new friends can be made and coins can be trade following the rules.
It's very annoying to see posts fade out without any reaction, because the proposed trades/swaps doesn't make any sense.
Without being to harsh in my comments and offend anyone. I'd like to say that it looks like Numista has been flooded by a tsunami of possible fake profiles and/or scammers!
Please people add coins to your swaplist, complete some swaps and trade later.
I definately want some old gold and silver coins too, but no one wants to change it for my pocket change eurocents.
On one hand I agree with you - we do see a number of sale offers from the members who do not qualify under Numista rules though many (if not all of them) are being removed by moderators. Sooner or later.
On the other hand, I consider selling at Numista (provided that you are qualified for that) as a valid way to improve your coin collection.
In my case, I limited the scope of my coin collection to several specific topics/countries/periods and already reached the point when there is almost no new swaps opportunities for me at Numista. Plus, small swaps with many countries are way too expensive for us Canadians, often more expensive than simply buying the coins you need at eBay.
So, in all fairness I do believe that selling coins at Numista has sense and is useful.
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On the other hand, I consider selling at Numista (provided that you are qualified for that) as a valid way to improve your coin collection.
My thoughts exactly. I have bought and sold coins on Numista and only had positive experiences so far. Sometimes a swap just isn't possible and I see no problem in involving money, offers on Numista are usually a lot fairer then the ones on ebay.
As for the unrealistic swap offers where new members are looking for gold/silver coins while only offering common circulating coins in return I doubt anyone takes them seriously and they will get removed by moderators sooner or later.
I collect and deal in ancient Roman coin. In case you're looking for affordable ancient coins or need any help with the coins you already have send me a message.
Maybe there should be a feature that you must get "approved" to post on the swap or sell forum. Or anyone could post, but only the approved members would get a special symbol beside their username that they are allowed to sell. Once they have met the requirements, they can ask someone like Oggy to to add the symbol for them.
Quote: "nthn"Maybe there should be a feature that you must get "approved" to post on the swap or sell forum. Or anyone could post, but only the approved members would get a special symbol beside their username that they are allowed to sell. Once they have met the requirements, they can ask someone like Oggy to to add the symbol for them.
all swapers start from somewere so its nok to block some new members to swap , i'm ok for sellers but not for swaps
Quote: "nthn"Maybe there should be a feature that you must get "approved" to post on the swap or sell forum. Or anyone could post, but only the approved members would get a special symbol beside their username that they are allowed to sell. Once they have met the requirements, they can ask someone like Oggy to to add the symbol for them.
I'm against limiting where new members can post simply because it would make it harder for new members to start swapping. My first real swap offers came after I posted a post in the swaps forum, in my opinion it's the easiest and safest way to start.
Adding a symbol to trusted members would be nice however whoever is posting sell offers right now without meeting the requirements obviously didn't read the rules and would continue to do so regardless of not having the symbol. Even though there's no such symbol currently anyone considering buying something off of Numista can and should check the seller's profile and see his ratings. Ratings kind of fulfill the same role as the symbol would, if someone has none or bad ratings avoid dealing with him and buy at your own risk.
I think all the forum needs is a few more moderators to delete unwanted topics faster and a little stricter reinforcement of the rules by banning profiles that keep breaking them.
I collect and deal in ancient Roman coin. In case you're looking for affordable ancient coins or need any help with the coins you already have send me a message.
It wouldn't be so bad if they would just make a single silly post and then disappear but recently they've been turning almost every topic into a three ring circus with stupid offers and fantastic tales of gold and silver coins at their other houses.
Unfortunately and invariably they spread out and start disrupting other sections with overpunctuated demands for values and assurances of genuineness for every coin the find on Alibaba. I usually translate these requests to "I found these Shanghai Specials and I'm trying to find out if people here are gullible enough to buy / swap them".
Equally annoying are the full time coin flippers who complete just enough trades to qualify for sales posts. In my understanding, the swaps and trades forum is intended to be a place where members can occasionally offer up a coin or a set which doesn't really fit into the swapping framework, not provide a free alternative to ebay.
I wish I had an answer to the problem but I can't see any way that the hustlers and coin flippers can be removed without making the S&T forum useless to the rest of us. As we've seen, rules and requirements can be easily manipulated. It's clear who these people are, why not let the mods simply remove them, rules or not? Until then, members could do themselves a big favor by taking the initiative and refusing to buy from these dealers who are too cheap to pay ebay fees. Send them packing back to Facebook.
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Quote: "nthn"The symbol for approved sellers would be for other people to see. So I would not buy from someone who didn't have the symbol.
I like buying Coins on Numista...Just to be save i would only buy from Numista members witch have the minimum SWAPS what is required.
I bought my last Coin from a Numista member who is there for a long time.
The prices for Coins on Numista are far less money as on Ebay and better quality too.
I don't have any personal objections to a "trusted" symbol but as with the idea to adopt a similar marking for legal minors, there's often a lot of resistance to such things. At least you're coming up with possible solutions, instead of just talking them down which is of course much easier and thus, more common.
The smartest guy I've ever met once told me, "It's easy to find reasons not to do something but all that you've then achieved is to do nothing."
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Quote: "Dutchgalego"Are we become Alibaba, E-bay and/or Marktplaats?
How is possible that new numista members without any complete swaps (lets us not talk about the absence of oins in their swaplist) may offer buy/sell trades!
I still see Numista as a site where new friends can be made and coins can be trade following the rules.
They are not supposed to sell until they have some swap ratings. If you see any people who have breached this then the best course of action is to inform them they must build up a good reputation before selling, and then flag their post so the moderators can remove it.
I also think that 5 swap ratings is a bit light with regards to becoming a member who is trusted enough to sell on the site. I would like to see it pushed out to at least 10 or 15 swaps.
I think 10 swap ratings would be better limit. I usually require my swapping partner to mail first is he/she has lower amount of rates than 10. I like to buy coins but my priority is to swap.
What is bad in selling coins? As I collect San Marino coins only, there's almost no one who has the coins I need for a swap. In the meantime, I had a lot of coins on the swap list and I needed to get rid of them. I sold them and invested the money into the coins I really needed. In my point of view, selling must not be prohibited on Numista (how about at least 25 finished swaps and overall rating 10.0/10.0? It will take a lot of time and effort for scammers to reach that). Of course, swaps first. It's always easier to swap the coins than to buy/sell them.
Quote: "druzhynets"What is bad in selling coins? As I collect San Marino coins only, there's almost no one who has the coins I need for a swap. In the meantime, I had a lot of coins on the swap list and I needed to get rid of them. I sold them and invested the money into the coins I really needed. In my point of view, selling must not be prohibited on Numista (how about at least 25 finished swaps and overall rating 10.0/10.0? It will take a lot of time and effort for scammers to reach that). Of course, swaps first. It's always easier to swap the coins then to buy/sell them.
That's the way I see it too. I'll take a swap over a sale any time. In my collecting omnivore days swapping was easy, now I've narrowed my focus and filled all the common dates it's getting a lot harder to find decent swaps. So yeah, the most common option now is to sell surplus coins and use the money to fund future expansions, however it's an extra step and a lot more complicated. Plus I actually like the swapping process and the new friends it creates.
Banning sales would have the immediate effect of banning the many of the more advanced or specialized collectors. These are the people who will build a successful catalog / website, not those applying to be a referee one week after asking what those KM numbers mean.
Conversely, when buying I would rather see the money going to a fellow collector rather than a large auction house or ebay seller. If I want to patronize such folks then I'll sign into my account and do so. On the Numista Swaps and Trades forum I expect to find offerings from my fellow members, not coin flippers who play no part in our community and are here for the sole purpose of avoiding ebay fees. We're fellow collectors, not customers!
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Quote: "druzhynets"What is bad in selling coins? As I collect San Marino coins only, there's almost no one who has the coins I need for a swap. In the meantime, I had a lot of coins on the swap list and I needed to get rid of them. I sold them and invested the money into the coins I really needed. In my point of view, selling must not be prohibited on Numista (how about at least 25 finished swaps and overall rating 10.0/10.0? It will take a lot of time and effort for scammers to reach that). Of course, swaps first. It's always easier to swap the coins then to buy/sell them.
That's the way I see it too. I'll take a swap over a sale any time. In my collecting omnivore days swapping was easy, now I've narrowed my focus and filled all the common dates it's getting a lot harder to find decent swaps. So yeah, the most common option now is to sell surplus coins and use the money to fund future expansions, however it's an extra step and a lot more complicated. Plus I actually like the swapping process and the new friends it creates.
Banning sales would have the immediate effect of banning the many of the more advanced or specialized collectors. These are the people who will build a successful catalog / website, not those applying to be a referee one week after asking what those KM numbers mean.
Conversely, when buying I would rather see the money going to a fellow collector rather than a large auction house or ebay seller. If I want to patronize such folks then I'll sign into my account and do so. On the Numista Swaps and Trades forum I expect to find offerings from my fellow members, not coin flippers who play no part in our community and are here for the sole purpose of avoiding ebay fees. We're fellow collectors, not customers!
Definately agree with both!
There is nothing wrong about sells. I did bought several coins from Numista members before and will do it again in the nearby future.
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Definately agree with both!
There is nothing wrong about sells. I did bought several coins from Numista members before and will do it again in the nearby future.
We're fellow collectors indeed!
I have bought from Druzhynets and Phil, also Swap with him but I have enjoyed more the swaps...
Currently had some swap offers in the range of the selected coins (equal value) but some coins are only for "sale" so if you want to sell your coins for x reason, but offer a swap and get not only the coin value but lets say the currency value what else you want?
Llega un momento en el cual tu colección se estanca y no puedes conseguir monedas en swaps, entonces si que te planteas en comprar las coins a los compañeros de Numista.
1º Deben tener buenas calificaciones y no solo 10.
2º Que la calidad de las coins sea la adecuada al precio, ya que muchos de los miembros de numista , tienen sus coins sobrevaloradas, adaptadas a los catalogos de su pais de origen, y aqui en numista trabajamos todos con el Krause y la gran mayoria damos las valoraciones en esta pagina. https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/
Yo soy partidario de la venta de coins , pero siguiendo un patron preestablecido.
Quote: "Dutchgalego"
Definately agree with both!
There is nothing wrong about sells. I did bought several coins from Numista members before and will do it again in the nearby future.
We're fellow collectors indeed!
I have bought from Druzhynets and Phil, also Swap with him but I have enjoyed more the swaps...
Currently had some swap offers in the range of the selected coins (equal value) but some coins are only for "sale" so if you want to sell your coins for x reason, but offer a swap and get not only the coin value but lets say the currency value what else you want?
I have found both to be very pleasant experiences, we don't have drama Dan and me... we have good conversations.
P.S. For those who recall the late and unlamented Mr Google, Dan really does have his silver coins at his other house. I just had to LOL when he told me that.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
There are a few good points that have been brought up here, and various problems. I'm speaking as more a member than a moderator with my thoughts, although they obviously intertwine a bit.
I can emaphise with the feelings in the op, of unrequited swap offers from people with nothing good to offer in return. It always feels a little bad having to just deny or ignore them too, especially when they could be a perfectly cool guy or gal, just with worthless coins as opposed to somebody trying to take advantage.
On the other hand I got told a lot when I was a new member 'I wouldnt want to swap with you because you have no completed swaps' - This isn't conducive to good swapping and encouraging new members really, as it makes it feel like an insular community that's not welcoming of newbies.
So overall with regards to swapping, I feel the status quo is kinda ok; people need to be sensible with the swaps they accept, and while some swaps will seem ridiculous, proposing them shouldn't be discouraged. I personally have a thing on my profile asking the person to message me first and then I initiate the swap. (as most of my coins have some sort of value and I'm really slow with things, especially lately)
With regards to SELLING - I wish I had better moderation tools. There is a general feeling [that I agree with for the most part] that the French forum is too strict, and the English forum allows people to sell all kind of junk. The 'known seller' icon is a good idea, but just the ability to ban people from swaps/sells/posting on a specific part of the forum, or putting a warning on their profile would help immensely.
Some things are useful (even stuff like the gems that Whatacoin sometimes sells) that I have nothing against, and are collectable and cool, but other sellers just try to sell junk for profit or to take advantage. I'd love to cut those sellers out personally.
