Hello all! I think i'm a bit out of my field here, I got this coin for a very cheap price out of a bin of un'id Roman coins, i am to the best of my ability sure it is silver, greek between 1.5 and 3 grams ( i seriously need a new scale) and between 1.4 and 1.5 cm in diameter.
p.s. i have already searched through wildwinds, and not found a match, probably just because i'm bad at it though!
Now, the questions: What is it and what is it worth?
Loruca
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Note that it is bronze. If yours is silver, it would be another denomination, but I suspect it's from the same city.
As for value, I don't know.
EDIT: Yes , I see that your message was edited. May be yours is earlier, and eventually the silver was debased until they struck them out of bronze?? (Just a possibility, but that would be easy to verify.)
Hello Steve! thank you for your contribution, I will get you some better pictures, but the coin is without a doubt silver, it may however be slightly debased. I would not know how to not destructively test that. but a better lighting coming up! This is as far from my area of competence as it can get, but in italian states i'm used to seeing low- quality silver coins. I still hope someone can find this coin, in silver in some catalogue! the post is new so we'll have to wait and see!
Loruca
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Quote: "Camerinvs"Here it is in the catalogue:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces44535.html
That's the bronze issue. If yours is actually silver (and it is somewhat larger, too), we would know from specialized catalogues.
@steve27 here are some better colour pics.
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Sear GCV #1636 gives only bronze (AE 15) for this exact type. There is a silver stater (c. 11 gr) of similar type, but the horse is prancing left, not right, and the inscription around the square is different.
Quote: "Camerinvs"Sear GCV #1636 gives only bronze (AE 15) for this exact type. There is a silver stater (c. 11 gr) of similar type, but the horse is prancing left, not right, and the inscription around the square is different.
Which returns us to the question. What is this?
Loruca
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
It's definitly a non-precious alloy (with copper, tin, maybe lead - who knows?). It can't be silver considering weight, diameter and thickness. A silver coin with a weight between 1,5 and 3 grams can't has this diameter and this thickness. The low weight greek silver coins are always extremely tiny.
Quote: "KAISERKILLERfr08"It's definitly a non-precious alloy (with copper, tin, maybe lead - who knows?). It can't be silver considering weight, diameter and thickness. A silver coin with a weight between 1,5 and 3 grams can't has this diameter and this thickness. The low weight greek silver coins are always extremely tiny.
Forget everything i've said about the weight. I just borrowed my neighbour's scale and it weighs just under 5 grams. My ruler also says it is 3 mm thick. So i can calculate that:
PI x .7 x .7 x .3 = .46cm3
.46 x 10.49 (densityxcm3 of silver) = 4.8 g
Never using my scale again .
Loruca
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This type is only know in bronze... So basically it means that we can't consider it such as a possible silver coin. Nonetheless, I agree on the fact the colour seems like silver, and if the weight is the good one, we can't totally ignore this eventuality. With 4,8 grams, it's close to a low half-stater of persic standard (5,30 grams). There are always stange coins with greek coins : have a look at the 6th on this page : http://www.emigh.org/numis/fourree/fourree3.html
It can be a very strange fake of this time or something like that (it would be an explanation to the difference of weight in comparison with a real persic standard half stater).
However, to have a strong opinion on the question, you must let it analysed by real specialists (not coins dealers, but a respected greek coins expert) and maybe test it with spectrometry.
Quote: "KAISERKILLERfr08"This type is only know in bronze... So basically it means that we can't consider it such as a possible silver coin. Nonetheless, I agree on the fact the colour seems like silver, and if the weight is the good one, we can't totally ignore this eventuality. With 4,8 grams, it's close to a low half-stater of persic standard (5,30 grams). There are always stange coins with greek coins : have a look at the 6th on this page : http://www.emigh.org/numis/fourree/fourree3.html
It can be a very strange fake of this time or something like that (it would be an explanation to the difference of weight in comparison with a real persic standard half stater).
However, to have a strong opinion on the question, you must let it analysed by real specialists (not coins dealers, but a respected greek coins expert) and maybe test it with spectrometry.
I'd definitely be willing to do that! Any particular names for eastern Canada i.e. southern ontario to montreal region? If not it will have to wait for my next trip to Italy: christmas, or june.
Loruca
Any other input would be most welcomed!
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Thank you Kaiser! I will update this discussion if i get any answers, I have also E-mailed some people from the NIP (italian professional numismatists) and will wait for their replies.
Laurent
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