Is there any chance of removing Hawaii from the U.S. map on the dashboard and adding a dot in the Pacific Ocean. As far as I can tell the Hawaiian coins were issued for the Kingdom of Hawaii well before the U.S. annexation of the islands.
Is there also a chance that a dot could be placed beneath the British Virgin Is. to represent the Danish West Indies (now the U.S. Virgin Islands). Then remove the Danish West Indies from Puerto Rico and place it there.
Us overseas islands, such as Puerto Rico, aguam, US Virgin Islands, Northern Marianas Islands, and even Hawaii, should be treated the same way as the French islands (Reunion, St. Pierre and Miquelon, Martinique, French Guiana, etc).
Quote: "Cerulean"Us overseas islands, such as Puerto Rico, aguam, US Virgin Islands, Northern Marianas Islands, and even Hawaii, should be treated the same way as the French islands (Reunion, St. Pierre and Miquelon, Martinique, French Guiana, etc).
Hawaii and Puerto Rico were not U.S. possessions at the time of their coinage.
In the case of Hawaii, the coinage was minted in SF and done in the same denominations as the USD. They were also exchangeable (1:1) and circulated together in the islands as legal tender. As for PR, there I think you have a valid point
Quote: "cncote10"In the case of Hawaii, the coinage was minted in SF and done in the same denominations as the USD. They were also exchangeable (1:1) and circulated together in the islands as legal tender. As for PR, there I think you have a valid point
It makes no difference where the coins were minted. The coins were minted for the Kingdom of Hawaii, a non U.S. possession. The U.S. used to mint coins for many nations around the world, while other countries still do. Besides the U.S. there have been and still are countries who use the same dollar and cent denominations.
As for coinage from Puerto Rico, their coins were minted while they were a Spanish colony. Look at the last coins minted for the island, the obverse depicts the likeness of King Alfonso XIII of Spain.
Quote: "ard"So my question about this issue is... What fixed moment in time does this map represent.
I suppose I've always seen it as the present.
Ard
I've monitored the various forums since I joined almost a year ago and realized immediately that nothing gets done here. I do not recall any major changes happening over that period.
Oggy, I do not believe that there will ever be a clever solution to anything. But I have to ask, why do you think that this is an issue that shouldn't be touched right now?
Quote: "SRV5490"I've monitored the various forums since I joined almost a year ago and realized immediately that nothing gets done here. I do not recall any major changes happening over that period.
Oggy, I do not believe that there will ever be a clever solution to anything. But I have to ask, why do you think that this is an issue that shouldn't be touched right now?
Because it's politically sensitive and this site as a whole shies away from politics. We're not even allowed politics related topics in free discussion! (Probably not sensitive in the case of Hawaii, but the precedent certainly is)
I personally have nothing against the suggestion by the way; I just can't see it happening for the above reasons [even in a world where major changes did occur!]
How come Spitsbergen is "not" a part of Norway, when Hawaii isn't even represented on the map? Some things here are really strange. Politics aside, the fact remains that Hawaii is still an existing island which at least should be shown on the map, right?
Topic moved to "Numista catalog"(Xavier, 14 Feb 2019, 22:14)
Quote: "Cerulean"Us overseas islands, such as Puerto Rico, aguam, US Virgin Islands, Northern Marianas Islands, and even Hawaii, should be treated the same way as the French islands (Reunion, St. Pierre and Miquelon, Martinique, French Guiana, etc).
Hawaii and Puerto Rico were not U.S. possessions at the time of their coinage.
Hawaii should also not be shown under ‘U.S.A.’, as it was an independent kingdom when its few coin types were released.
Aidan.
I know, and that's the main question here. It's just that people started to talk about Guam, Danish West Indies, Puerto Rico, etc. as well, so I just wanted to show that these islands are not shown in the USA map, it's just the Hawaiian islands that should be renoved from the mainland USA. The problem, though, is that the Hawaiian islands are not shown on the map, so they have no place to be moved to.
The Numista map look similar to a Kavraiskiy VII projection and because Hawaii is situated at the arse of the world with not much around but water it often falls out of maps like this one. We either have to shrink all other countries to accommodate it or place it at the extreme left or right on wrong coordinates.
Personally I can live without them on a map, might suck for Hawaii but it could have chosen a better place for it's islands 😜
