Kiribati 5 cents 1979 - magnetic

I recently acquired a Kiribati 5 cent coin dated 1979.
The context of said acquisition (as part of a coin set sold for a bit under $4 that was supposed to be overpriced... Kiribati, Zambia, Mozambique, Cabo Verde, Bahamas; even if all the five types were common - they were - who wouldn't buy that for $4?) made me suspect that the coin might have a higher mintage than Numista (and apparently Krause) says; I've since received more definite proof of it (the type appeared in an issue of a Russian coin collecting magazine - even though there were 120,000 copies made of that issue, and the official mintage of the type is much less than that).

However, while trying to find previous discussions of this type on Numista, I stumbled on this thread. I checked, and sure enough, my example was magnetic.
I would've bumped the old thread, but it wasn't in the right forum (Numista catalog), so I started this one instead.

Best I can figure out, for a few years starting in 1992, the KM 3a type (same as KM 3 except magnetic) was produced by Kiribati - with a frozen date of 1979.
So there aren't actually any 1992 dated Kiribati 5 cent coins (regardless of what Krause says), but the KM 3a type would indeed have been made in 1992 (or a bit later).

Note that the mintage listed for 1979 only applies to the non-magnetic type, and that the listed pic of the "1992" magnetic type actually says 1979 (as does the legend). [In fact it appears to be the exact same pic as for the 1979 type, complete with small spots, scratches and dust specks in the exact same places.]
However, judging by the rarity scale, most Numista members that had one of the magnetic 1979 coins would list it under the "non-magnetic" 1979 type, presumably because their coins were not dated 1992. So a straight fix probably wouldn't work very well.

What should be done about this? Something certainly should (I'm not going to enter my magnetic 1979 5 cents under either of the two types), but I'm not entirely sure what could work (perhaps creating a separate third page for the magnetic 1979 is now the only semi-reasonable possibility).

Hello January-First-of-May,

You are right indeed, the following information is correct for the Kiribati 5 cents coin of 1979:

1979 - Copper-nickel
1979 - Nickel plated steel (minted after 1992)

1992 coin is not listed and so does not exist.

Information from the Weltmünzkatalog 44th edition (2016) by Dr. Gerhard Schön.

I have changed the date on this page to 1979. Information is now correct and how it should be.

Quote: "Euromunt"​Hello January-First-of-May,
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​You are right indeed, the following information is correct for the Kiribati 5 cents coin of 1979:
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​1979 - Copper-nickel
​1979 - Nickel plated steel (minted after 1992)
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​1992 coin is not listed and so does not exist.
​
​Information from the Weltmünzkatalog 44th edition (2016) by Dr. Gerhard Schön.
​
​I have changed the date on this page to 1979. Information is now correct and how it should be.

​Thanks! Properly entered my coin now.

Now we have to figure out how to tell the 500-odd guys who erroneously entered the other type that they probably should change the info... maybe putting a note on the non-magnetic type's page that the magnetic type is elsewhere could be a start? (I'm not sure how to do it, unfortunately.)

Sorry, late to the party, but we (catalogue admins) can move people from one year to another. Is this the case? Or just xx (large x) entered wrongly their coin but some of them did it right?

Quote: "Jarcek"​Sorry, late to the party, but we (catalogue admins) can move people from one year to another. Is this the case? Or just xx (large x) entered wrongly their coin but some of them did it right?

​Everyone who actually has the non-magnetic 1979 5 cents (imprecise rule of thumb: if they have the 10 cents or 20 cents coin, which were not made in a magnetic version, they probably have the right 5 cents) would have entered it right, unfortunately.
It's just that the magnetic version is a lot more common, so most of the people listed for the non-magnetic coin right now probably actually have the magnetic one (and didn't consider entering it because that page said 1992); if the type description was right from the start, the rarity for the non-magnetic 5 cents would probably have been 44 (like the 10 cents and 20 cents) - not the 13 we have today, but not the 65 that the former "magnetic 1992" page has either.

I have no idea what the relatively few people who entered "magnetic 1992" actually had. Probably the 1979 magnetic coin (in which case they're still correct).

Hm, so one would have to message all these. No way I am doing that. But your idea is good, I will put info in comment field.

All these people will in fact later today receive a private message from me to inform them about this. No changes should ever be made to the entries of a Numista member without any notification of it. The added notes are not needed and so I will delete these later today.

All 769 people?

Quote: "Jarcek"​All 769 people?

​Yes, again, the members who have a particular coin entered into their collection should be made aware about it when things have changed. It is very important to maintain the accuracy of members' collections. I agree however that Xavier should make something to make mass messaging possible for these kind of things because it is going to take quite some time as I will have to do these 1 by 1.

Ok, they mistakenly entered this coin because we led them to think this is only one with date 1979. If you have the patience for writing them all, I can only applaud that. I would have settled with a note, to let it fix itself.

Quote: "Euromunt"​

Quote I agree however that Xavier should make something to make mass messaging possible for these kind of things because it is going to take quite some time as I will have to do these 1 by 1.

​++++10.

Thank you, gentlemens! Now my coin on place - magnetic!

Would like to thank Euromunt for his initiative to let know all people having this Kiribati coin about change. It is greatest example of care and that calls Numista team really

my respect

ps: i guess it should be automatized somehow as it is often that 1 year divides after to sub KMs or varieties here

Do not thank me Cyrill, I only added note - now redundant, that would notify you when you would hover over the coin.

And linked both coins. Euromunt deserves credit for this one job as he sacrificed time to get the news to you. I moved to other tasks instead.