Netherland '1 Gulden - Juliana' is missing a year ?

Hi folks !

I think the 1969 year is missing in the catalogue ( https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces737.html ).

I've bought some Nederland coins and get that in the photos.

Thanks in advance !!

Marcelo Pereira

There is a different coin sheet for 1969. The sheet you have is the silver version. 1969 is a non silver version.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces738.html

Thanks Eerovisser for the quick reply.

I'v noticed the two sheets, but beyond the metal difference, there is a difference in the alignment of one privy marks, below the "G".

The photos of coins in the sheets of the silver one shows this mark pointing to the Southwest.

The nickel one shows the mark pointing to the South.

My coin could be a nickel with silver alignment on the mark or the silver missing year.

See the image below.

Marcelo

I am from the Netherlands and will check some of my double coins. Don't have a lot left since I decided to collect by type, but might be able to do some research for you after work today.

Quote: "Eerovisser"​I am from the Netherlands and will check some of my double coins. Don't have a lot left since I decided to collect by type, but might be able to do some research for you after work today.

​I also know I have several different years I but silver and nickel so will see what I can find out for you.

Just to add some info.

I've found the inclination issue in the same mark in :

- 10 Cent - Juliana ( https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces734.html )
- 25 Cent Juliana ( https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces656.html )

In my 9 coins of 10 cents, 2 ( 1950 and 1968 ) have the Southwest pointing mark, like the official photo of the sheet. The others ( 70, 71, 73, 74, 77, 78 and 80 ) have the South pointing one.

In my 7 coins of 25 cents, 3 ( 61, 64 and 66 ) have the Southwest pointing mark. Te others ( 71, 73, 77 and 79 ) have the South pointing mark, like the official photo of the sheet.

Fun fact. In the 25 cent sheet, there is a ebay offer with a "wrong" alignment.

I don't know how to confirm, but it seems to be a per year mark alignment, at least on these two coins.

Marcelo

Did you check the secondary mintmark? Maybe this is a change due to a new mint master. We have the same issue in France, with the cornucopia opened one way in New Franc coinage up to 1974 (owl mint master mark with some orientation variations between values: some are up-right, others down-left) and another way later (dolphin mint master mark and further, usually down-right)

It seems that you are correct ... all the old dies with the fish have an angled esculap and new dies of the rooster ones have them up right.

The fish privy mark was used until and including 1969, and had the Utrecht mint mark (Mercury's staff) pointed diagonally. From 1969 the privy mark was a cock, with Mercury's staff pointing vertically. Silver was used for the Dutch 1 Gulden up to 1967, with nickel issues starting that same year. The Netherlands Antilles used the same privy mark system but silver was used until 1970.

This 1969 Gulden is a pretty common nickel coin.

Thank you all for the info.

How ( and whom ) to ask to update the sheets ?

What do you want to update on the sheet? The 1969 Guilder with Fish is already listed in the sheet.

Hi spookie,

To the 1969 Guilder, it was my identification mistake.

But there is the "10 Cents - Juliana" and "25 Cents - Juliana" issues I posted here.

Is there a need to include a comment in the sheets about the different alignment of the privy mark ?

You may add a comment in the Comments area but no more, as the alignment variation is linked with the privy mark change.

Thank you chomp-master.

But I don't know for sure when the change occurred, so I can only add comments in the years I have coins.

It's ok ?

I'm pretty sure this change coincidated with the privy mark change. No need to search more I guess.