Euro fantasy coins

I know I am being naïve--------but how do these 200 odd coins in our new country ** Exonumia ** listing work-- are they collectable, and how do the shop keepers know which are real euros? I never realised there was that many out there and how expensive are they.


Murray

Only the the coins which look like these:
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/coins/common/html/index.en.html
on one side are regular Euro-coins.
If the value side looks different, it is not an Euro coin.

Usually the euro fantasy coins are not found in circulation because the producers and sellers sell these crap for 5 or 10€ the buyers often don't know they buying crap.
But there are people who collect these things. They won't give them in circulation either.

If a "coin" of these gets in circulation many people don't realize that this is no money.
I didn't see a single piece of these rounds in circulation so far. And i wach my change very systematic .

Quote: "Handzumgrus"​Only the the coins which look like these:
​https://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/coins/common/html/index.en.html
​on one side are regular Euro-coins.
​If the value side looks different, it is not an Euro coin.
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​Usually the euro fantasy coins are not found in circulation because the producers and sellers sell these crap for 5 or 10€ the buyers often don't know they buying crap.
​But there are people who collect these things. They won't give them in circulation either.
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​If a "coin" of these gets in circulation many people don't realize that this is no money.
​I didn't see a single piece of these rounds in circulation so far. And i wach my change very systematic .

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Are they same size and weight ?

Quote: "muzz0000"​​
​Are they same size and weight ?

​Yes, they get same size and weight in each country.
When you live in the capital, you can get more than 50% of foreign coins in your wallet but, in regions, foreign coins are less usual.
There are also 5€, 10€ up to 100€ coins that have legal tender only in one country like this France regions serie, but they are mainly dedicated to collectors and not usually found in circulation.

I think he's asking about fantasy euro coinage.

Not sure about weight, but size is probably similar.

Quote: "chomp-master"​I think he's asking about fantasy euro coinage.
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​Not sure about weight, but size is probably similar.

​yes I was asking about the fantasy euro coins-----some of them look so similar it would be easy to confuse them with real coinage ------------ do they sell at more than face value ?

why would people buy them if there is no silver content???, and only collectable value

Just looked at Monaco 2 euro fantasy token--2009 - celebrating 10 years of EMU similar to the genuine 2 euro coins put out by other nations-- there is a difference of course, but not much

Quote: "Frenchlover"​

Quote: "muzz0000"​​
​​Are they same size and weight ?
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​​Yes, they get same size and weight in each country.
​When you live in the capital, you can get more than 50% of foreign coins in your wallet but, in regions, foreign coins are less usual.
​There are also 5€, 10€ up to 100€ coins that have legal tender only in one country like this France regions serie, but they are mainly dedicated to collectors and not usually found in circulation.

I have a couple of these French 10 euro coins- do they not circulate
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For me these shitty tokens are more like a swindle used to trap euro collectors with lookalike and no-value tokens.

They do not circulate as no one want to use them instead of a note, but technically they should be allowed to circulate (only Regions series and Semeuse series, Republic valours series are no more intended to)

On 2008, a 5€ coin (mintage : 2 millions) was sold in post offices (silver 50%) with success and this coin was circulating for a while. At least I have seen some of them in circulation. But when people learnt that these coins are valid only in France, they were reluctant to get them for change in stores and these coins gradually disappeared from circulation.
The year after a 10€ of the same series "sower running" was issued with the same high mintage (Silver 90%) and were collected by many people but barely found in circulation.


These two coins 5€ and 10€ got high success. It was a little bit remaining the old good times of the sixties with the 5 Francs and 10 Francs silver coin.

[edit: 15€, 25€ and 50€ from the same series "sower running" with a low mintage, never circulated]

Then on 2010 the first 10€ region series (Silver 90%) was also sold in post offices of the related regions, with very high success and you had to call friends in each region to get these coins. It was a little bit difficult for overseas departments ... Very few of these 10€ coins were found in circulation and post offices were quickly out of stock.
Some of these coins are worth six times more expensive today like for example "Champagne - Ardennes"

On 2011, the second series had very nice design and despite a lower silver grade (Silver 50%) these coins were appreciated and thoroughly collected.

On 2012 the third and last region series (Silver 50%) dedicated to well-known characters did not raised much excitement.

Then on 2013 a very nice series of 5€ (Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité) (large mintage of 2 millions each coin) was a success despite a new lowering of Silver grade (33%). [edit: these coins were quickly captured by collectors and so never circulated]


Since then 10€ series 2014, 2015, 2016 with the 33% silver grade no longer interest anyone.
[edit: all these coins have legal tender in France]

And what about €10, €15 & €25 coins of the same 2008-2010 Semeuse series, made in silver (.900)? (I already excluded the €50 which is clearly not intended to circulate)

We can say the 3 Region series did not circulate as victim of their success for collectors but should be theoretically allowed to do so, right? (despite you say the last series were less appreciated)

You didn't say if the last €5 series did circulate or not.

PS: always better to switch coin file links from FR to EN in this side

Quote: "muzz0000"​

Quote: "chomp-master"​I think he's asking about fantasy euro coinage.
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​​Not sure about weight, but size is probably similar.

​​yes I was asking about the fantasy euro coins-----some of them look so similar it would be easy to confuse them with real coinage ------------ do they sell at more than face value ?
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​why would people buy them if there is no silver content???, and only collectable value
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​Just looked at Monaco 2 euro fantasy token--2009 - celebrating 10 years of EMU similar to the genuine 2 euro coins put out by other nations-- there is a difference of course, but not much

​Usually weight and diameter and thickness are different. If these "things" are too close to the circulating coins, it would be illegal to produce and sell these.

There is also a material difference.
The 1, 2, 5 cents are made of copper plated steel. The tokens are usually made of copper.
The 10, 20, 50 cents are made of aluminium-bronze (Alloy of Cu Al Zn and Sn). The tokens are usually made of brass.
The 1 and 2 € coins are not only made of two metals, their pill is made of clad (or plated) nickel similar to "MAGNIMAT", which were used for the Austrian 10 Schillings, the German 2 and 5 Mark and some 5 Kronor coins in Scandinavian countries for example (i realized, in many coin sheets it is wrong, but i am not shure of if it is clad or plated. I will make change requests as soon as i am sure. Have to take a few looks into my catalogues and on official websites). Only the pill reacts (softly) on a magnet, not the ring of the 1 and 2 € coins. The tokens' pills are not made of this material.

The "Euro fantasy coins" i saw were all thicker than Euro coins. And they had a different edge (not reeded and no inscription for example).

I hate this crap. It is made to fool coin collectors.
The cheapest of these sets i have seen in a selling-offer from one of the in Germany well known coin selling companies named "Reppa", "MDM" or "Gavia" and they wanted 3.88€ - "face value".

Hi guys thanks for all the input Murray

Hi muzz.
Check this out
http://www.monedas-bimetalicas.com/eu-ingle.htm

I started being interested in euro fantasy tokens about few months ago. I decided to collect only 2euro tokens and so far I have about 10. There are hundreds different ones that exist but most of them are made with small mintages (ut to 5000) so they are not so easy to find. Even eBay does not have more than 10-15 for sale.

Some of them are made the same size and weight as regular euro coins, but some are way larger.

Quote: "PajaSkot Hi wow that is interesting did you have to pay more than face value for them ----- i take it there is more than the 200 that on numista . i would love to have the opportunity of giving some to a shop keeper and see if they notice"​Hi muzz.
​Check this out
​http://www.monedas-bimetalicas.com/eu-ingle.htm
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​I started being interested in euro fantasy tokens about few months ago. I decided to collect only 2euro tokens and so far I have about 10. There are hundreds different ones that exist but most of them are made with small mintages (ut to 5000) so they are not so easy to find. Even eBay does not have more than 10-15 for sale.
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​Some of them are made the same size and weight as regular euro coins, but some are way larger.

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They all vary in size. Some are made in exact size as regular Euro coins and I am sure you could pay with them without people noticing. Others are way bigger and heavier than regular Euro coins that there is no way that people could be "tricked"
However, they are all more expensive than the face value. (at least now, I don't know what was the original price right after minting) As I said there are hundreds/thousands of them and many are minted in very small mintage of few thousands. You have to hunt for them since they are rarely available. Even when you find some on eBay they go for 10-15 Dollars a piece.

I guess because few of those fantasy issues are made to look very similar to real Euro coins, people have opinion that all of those Fantasy Euros are made only to trick uneducated collectors. That's silly. It is true that not many people collect them, but those that do, they know what they are doing.

Also, I know that few of those fantasy series are originally minted to be sold in some fundraisers. Because of that many of those coins/tokens ended up in hands of people that don't collect coins. Sooner or later they will end up on eBay and their prices can very a lot... they can either be sold cheaply because not so many people are interested in them, or they can be very expensive because they are hard to find.