World coins chat: Finland

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Finland is a country in Northern Europe bordering Sweden, Norway and Russia. It has a population of 5.5 million.

It is believed that Balto-Finnic tribes such as Finnish, Karelians and Estonians have migrated to this part of Europe around 2000 years ago, moving the Sami tribe further north, where it still resides today.

From the 12th century Swedish settlers started to colonise Finland's coastal areas, and as a result Swedish is still spoken by communities in this part of Finland even today. Swedish influence expanded over the centuries and as Swedish was the prime language of commerce it started replacing Finnish except for the rural areas.

After decades of intermittent wars between Russia and Sweden, Finland became a Russian grand duchy in 1809. That same century marked the start of the Finnish national awakening, with the population finding a strong identity in the Finnish language and mythology. Elias Lönnrot wrote the Kalevala, which became the national epos and would later inspire Tolkien to write Lord of the Rings. By the end of the 19th century, the majority of the population had switched to Finnish as the prime language.

The Russian reaction was mixed with efforts of forced russification but also autonomy and democratisation. In 1860 Finland introduced its own currency, the Markka, and in 1906 universal suffrage was granted to all citizens, the first country in the world to do so.

World War I and the Russian Revolution brought the opportunity for Finlans to declare indepence, which it did in 1917. A civil war broke out between German-trained White nationalists and Bolshevik-backed Red communists. The Finnish Civil War left deep scars in Finnish society because of the many atrocities committed by both sides. By 1918 the Whites prevailed and managed to secure the borders with Bolshevist Russia.

Stalin was convinced that Leningrad was too close to the Finnish border and that a buffer zone was needed. In 1939 the USSR invaded Finland (Winter War) after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact had concluded the spheres of influence. Poor Russian taxtics and Finnish determination to defend the country resulted in massive Russian casualties and a front that was hardly moving. By 1940 Finnish resources were almost exhausted but a ceasefire was agreed in which Finland ceded Karelia to the USSR.


Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim, commander of the Whites, commander-in-chief during WW2 and sixth President of Finland

In 1941 Finland joined Nazi Germany on the Eastern Front recapturing Karelia and including parts of Karelia that had been Russian for centuries. The Finish general Mannerheim however decided not to attack Leningrad despite German requests to do so. German forces in northern Finland tried to capture Murmansk but failed. In 1944 the USSR started a large offensive against Finland but Finnish defence was again outnumbered but stiff. A peace deal resulted in Finland ceding Karelia again and declaring war on Nazi Germany. During this Lapland War the German troops set fire on almost every town in northern Finland as they retreated towards Norway.


Urho Kaleva Kekkonen, 8th President of Finland 1956-1982. Conservative, athletic, womaniser, heavy drinker and alleged ties with the KGB. His life story is intriguing.

As a result of WW2, Finland had to pay war reparations to the USSR and was severely limited in its foreign policy. Side effect was that industrialisation accelerated and the unique position of being the one of the few non-communist industrial countries to be able to trade with the USSR as well as with the West. Finland stayed out of NATO and it did not join the EU before 1995.


Matti Nykänen, Olympic ski jump champion, pop singer, porn actor, street-smart philosopher and ex-convict

With the USSR's collapse in 1991, the Finnish economy collapsed with it, resultkng in a severe economic depression. During this time a government committee came up with the idea that Nokia, a producer of consumer electronics, should focus on mobile phones. By 2000 Nokia was the largest company in Europe and Finland was famous for pulp, paper and phones.

The Great Recession, the demise of Nokia and slowing trade with Russia have put Finland in a more difficult position recently. There are still success stories however, such as Helsinki-based app game developer Supercell, which created best-selling apps Clash of Clans and Farmville. Angry Birds was also created in Finland.

Currency
Finland introduced the Markka in 1860, subdivided in 100 Penniä. It replaced the Ruble at a rate of 4 Markkaa per Ruble, therefore putting the Markka at par with the currencies of the Latin Monetary Union (LMU), such as the French and Swiss Francs.

After WW1 the LMU collapsed and the chaos atound independence and civil war eroded the value of the Markka. It was reset to 193 Mk/£, where it had been 25.22 Mk/£ before 1917. The Markka remained stable during the interwar period.

World War 2 and its aftermath caused large budget deficits which resulted in further devaluations to finance the war effort and reparations. The Dollar exchange rate reached 120Mk/$ in 1945 and 320 Mk/$ in 1957. In 1963 the Markka was redenominated at 100:1, and again devalued to 4.2 Mk/$ in 1967. Decades of exchange rate stability followed, but in the early 1990's the Finnish economic crisis again lowered the Markka's value, especially against Deutschmarks and Swiss Francs. In 1999 the Markka was replaced by Euro at a rate of 5.94573 Mk/€.

Coins
Finnish coin history is relatively short for European standards. Until 1917 Finnish coins followed LMU specifications. The bronze 1, 5 and 10 Penniä feature the monogram of the Russisn czar (Finnish Grand Duke) of the time. In 1917, after the February Revolution, uncrowned Russian eagles were shown on Finnish coins.

After independence no silver was used for quite some time. Coins with denominations up to 20 Markkaa circulated, which had a value of around 2 Shillings or $0.50 in those days, but was made of aluminium-bronze. During WW2 some of the compositions were changed due to metal shortages.

In 1952 a new coin series reflected the large inflation at a time. To gain trust, silver was reintroduced, this time in high denominations of 100 and 200 Markkaa.

In 1963 the New Markkaa replaced the old one and the coins were updated. Low-grade silver was used for a few years in the 1 Markka coin but soon replaced by base metal. 5 Markkaa coins were added in 1972. The last Markka series was introduced in 1993.

In 2002 Euro coins were introduced and from the start Finland decided to not use 1c and 2c, leading to a small short squeeze among Eurocoin collectors rushing to get their sets complete. Eventually these did not turn out to be great investments, but some Finnish commemorative €2 coins did as mintage was limited compared to demand.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/finlande-1.html
What about €5 commemoratives? Are they used within the country as well?
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Quote: "chomp-master"​What about €5 commemoratives? Are they used within the country as well?

They are issued at face value but you never see them in circulation. Coins are hardly used in general, as credit cards are even used to buy a coffee.
Like most of Scandinavian countries I guess.
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In Finnland also the muumins and muikunnen fishing hauki live and "vitu satane perkele" stands for hello.:O
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Kudos for the picture of Matti Nykänen! May I suggest adding one of Seppo Räty mid-javelin-throw to show the world how masculine Finnish men are?
Interesting to notice which thing are known from Finland, which is actually my home country. Our economy is not in a good shape. Our export has falling a lot since the gold days of Nokia. Forest companies like UPM is known and perhaps Wärtsilä with boat engines and Kone with lifts. Our education, the school system, is also forth for mentioning.

We have had very famous sportsman. For example Paavo Nurmi, he won 9 Olympic gold medals, Lasse Viren, he won 4 gold medals in 5000 m and 10 000 m. We have had some very good ski jumpers, like Matti Nykänen and Toni Nieminen. But now we have only few who succeed somehow.

Our nation is not very big, we have only a bit more than 5 million people here. Winter in cold, at least in Lappland and summer is not very warm.

Yes we have Moomin and the Angly bird and some other smaller IT companies with their products.

I think we have many good things here. I live in the southern part of Finland with my family. The nature is one of the good things here.

We have 5 eur coins but they are not circulated and it is not possible to get them at face value, at least I have not found that kind of place to get them. We also mint 1 and 2 c coins but they are not in circulation here. We don't use those coins in Finland at all. They are for collectors and that is why they cost much more than their face value.

I have made more than 400 swaps here in Numista and I have some friends to whom I search special Finnish coins. I have quite a good contacts here to get Finnish coins, old and new ones. I'm very interested in swapping my Finnish doubles also.
There are other things I know about Finland. Famous racers in various motorsports (in particular the 3 Finnish Formula 1 World Champions), the House of Santa Claus, the original song of the spinning leek meme...
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Quote: "Hamletmaschine"​Kudos for the picture of Matti Nykänen! May I suggest adding one of Seppo Räty mid-javelin-throw to show the world how masculine Finnish men are?

You mean this ad? "Sh*t flies further than a javelin!"
Quote: jokinen
Quote: "Hamletmaschine"​Kudos for the picture of Matti Nykänen! May I suggest adding one of Seppo Räty mid-javelin-throw to show the world how masculine Finnish men are?
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​You mean this ad? "Sh*t flies further than a javelin!"
​Haha, classy! I haven't seen that before, but it's amazing. I was always afraid he would pop a blood vessel in his brain when throwing, he looked so extremely...well, hard to describe. Angry, tense, focussed, crazy?

Finland is damn near the perfect country. Very much like Sweden, but much more awesome.
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I don't live in Finland anymore but this course is pretty much run.

For those even less informed than I am on Finnish politics. Sauli is the current president, senior politician and proud owner of a dog named Lennu. I can hardly see him not getting his second term. His party represents the more urban areas in the south.

Pekka and Merja are both green, but Pekka's more mainstream.

Laura would fit in very well with the Trump administration.

Matti already was Finland's prime minister from 2003 to 2010 and already lost a presidential election in 2006. Since 2014 he is pursuing his comeback to seek revenge for his loss in 2006.

Tuula represents the social democrats which were dominant from the late 80's but in recent years have lost a lot of ground (just like elsewhere in Europe).

And Paavo just never gets enough of losing elections. He's with the same party as Matti which usually gets its votes from more rural areas.

The best thing is that Finnish politics is so boring because the country actually functions quite well. And this is how it ought to stay.
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maybe i will move to finnland. thinking to buy a hut near kuusamo since i like that area.
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off course only for summer

:O
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Quote: "Muenzenhamster"​maybe i will move to finnland. thinking to buy a hut near kuusamo since i like that area.

​Then you will like this Finnish song:

Danny - Kuusamo
https://youtu.be/cphoFXBdJBs

And for the Francophones, their original:
Joe Dassin - L'Été Indien
https://youtu.be/tQb4eWCAq8c

Excellent for the cold winter nights
hahaha sounds like some old italian music from a bud spencer movie.
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Guys, you've completely forgot THE most famous piece of Finland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ygdAiDxKfI
Для всього свій час, і година своя кожній справі під небом
Quote: "glykan"​Guys, you've completely forgot THE most famous piece of Finland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ygdAiDxKfI
​This is indeed a legendary example of Finnish folk music, of which so many nice examples exist. The language used in this song is actually not standard Finnish but an eastern dialect.
Here was once a giant text but I removed it.

Enjoy this picture of a Finnish bird
I would vote Exit of EU and Euro. Just to see those useless idiots in brussel and berlin crying.
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Quote: "Muenzenhamster"​I would vote Exit of EU and Euro. Just to see those useless idiots in brussel and berlin crying.

​Yep. Markka was one of the reasons Finland got independent and those Euers removed it from us. The vote was bad, people were too excited...


The markka was given to us in 1860. With its own coins, Finland no more was a wasteland that no-one knew somewhere. Finland grew stronger. Without this we could still be a part of Russia or just gotten independence in the 90s. The current president Sauli Niinistö was also in this...I hope the Väyrynen effect is true and he wins. That we could finally throw the euro out and get our Markka back.
Bit hard to compare 1860 to 2018. And back in 1860 the Markka was tied to the LMU. As soon as it started floating it lost a lot of its purchasing power (understandably mostly due to wars)

I am not too fond on how the Euro is currently managed but I don't see the point of going back to the Markka at this stage. It will only cost a lot and then there's this new small currency that can be manipulated by market forces, or will be trading in a tight range to Finland's main trade partners (which is mostly EUR and very correlated Nordic currencies). No, I just find the idea of a Fixit a strange kind of nostalgia.

As long as the Germans are in the Euro there is no reason to go for a New Markka. And otherwise we can prepare for a New Markka but then it will be a very German one. What's in a name :-)
Quote: "Muenzenhamster"​I would vote Exit of EU and Euro. Just to see those useless idiots in brussel and berlin crying.

​Then why'd you stage a competition about a bunch of Euro cents?
@jokinen I'm pretty sure the Markka (post-1917) is at least partly influenced by the German currency that circulated in the brief window of time between Finnish independence from Russia and the defeat of the German Empire in November 1918, and until the re-stabilization of the country and currency in the early 1920s, when the 'interwar' markka was introduced, correct?

@Monnien1 I don't think the Euro as a currency union is fulfilling it's potential, but I think that it's merits outweigh it's flaws; besides, good or bad most peoples' and Eurozone banks, companies, and nations' financial assets are by now too tied to the Euro that it's a ship more worth saving than scuttling.
Quote: "CassTaylor"​@jokinen I'm pretty sure the Markka (post-1917) is at least partly influenced by the German currency that circulated in the brief window of time between Finnish independence from Russia and the defeat of the German Empire in November 1918, and until the re-stabilization of the country and currency in the early 1920s, when the 'interwar' markka was introduced, correct?



​I cannot find any sources that claim such a thing. German paper currency definitely circulated in the Baltic countries in those days, but Finland already had a currency of its own even before independence. As far as I understand the period between 1915 and 1926 was one of devaluations, mostly controlled. In 1926 the gold standard was reintroduced at a level which was 87% lower (or gold 7.5 times more valuable) than before 1915.

And yes you are very stubborn on your 'it's'! Pay me a Markka for every time you use it in vain and I will soon enter the Forbes Fortunate 500
Quote: "jokinen"
Quote: "CassTaylor"​@jokinen I'm pretty sure the Markka (post-1917) is at least partly influenced by the German currency that circulated in the brief window of time between Finnish independence from Russia and the defeat of the German Empire in November 1918, and until the re-stabilization of the country and currency in the early 1920s, when the 'interwar' markka was introduced, correct?



​​I cannot find any sources that claim such a thing. German paper currency definitely circulated in the Baltic countries in those days, but Finland already had a currency of its own even before independence. As far as I understand the period between 1915 and 1926 was one of devaluations, mostly controlled. In 1926 the gold standard was reintroduced at a level which was 87% lower (or gold 7.5 times more valuable) than before 1915.

​And yes you are very stubborn on your 'it's'! Pay me a Markka for every time you use it in vain and I will soon enter the Forbes Fortunate 500
​Nevermind, I realized that I was referring to Estonia rather than Finland. Je me suis trompé. z)
Finland may melt down current 50c and €1 coins as there are too many of them in vaults. No use anymore as people pay with cards and mobile phones.

Sure they will ask from other countries if they need them, but this may be the near future in many countries. Mintages have been very low during this decade already. They can't just store them in national bank as there are EMU regulations against that.

Source (in Finnish only):

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10031650
And if anyone did not knew this already, we do not use the 1 and 2 cent coins. According to my observations their rarities are:

Getting a 2€ comm. instead of a 2€: 18%
Getting a 1c instead of a 5c: 0.4%
Getting a 2c instead of a 5c: 0.2%
Getting a 5€ commemorative instead of a 5€: 0.01% (It has happened to me once, but it is rare. I once asked a bank person who was in his 20s has he ever seen a 5€ coin, he said no)

Getting a other commemorative (10, 20, 50 or 100€) instead of a banknote: I have heard that this has happened once. Someone has actually gotten a 20€ coin, but it has probably happened only a few times in Finland.
I have put several 1 and 2c coins and €5 commems into circulation. Though nowadays I just take them directly into bank as there they know them better and there's no need for long discussions about their validity.

It is fun to put these kind of odds and ends to circulation but it is frustrating if teller doesn't know what those are. €2 commems are easier to use, tellers just look that those are not Thailand 10 baht coins if they don't recognize the design.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces126711.html
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Currencies used

Finland is known from using pieces of fur as currency. Most of us (Finnish people) think that fur was used until the Markka, 1860.

Really, there has been MANY more currencies.

Fur (-? - 500)

Coins from the Roman empire (100-400)

Dirhams (~800-1100)

Foreign coins (1000 - 1300)




Turku coins (Daler) (1300 - 1500)


Gyllen (1521 - 1534)


Daler (1534 - 1593)


1st Riksdaler (1598 - 1665)


(Plate money 1644 - 1776)


2nd Riksdaler (1665 - 1715)


3rd Riksdaler (1715 - 1719)


4th Riksdaler (1719 - 1798)


5th Riksdaler (1798 - 1830)


Rouble (1808 - 1860/65)

Riksdaler Banco (1830-1855)


Riksdaler Riksmynt (1855-1860)


Old Markka (1860-1963)


New Markka (1963 - 2002)


Euro (1999/2002-)
Wait, why were the Riksdaler Banco and Riksdaler riksmynt used in Finland? I thought Finland was under Russian rule from 1809?

And did Roman coins and dirhams from the Islamic world really circulate as far north as Finland? B.
Quote: "CassTaylor"​Wait, why were the Riksdaler Banco and Riksdaler riksmynt used in Finland? I thought Finland was under Russian rule from 1809?

​And did Roman coins and dirhams from the Islamic world really circulate as far north as Finland? B.
​Roman coins and dirhams came into Finland possibly with trade, and basically they were used. For example, thousands of dirhams have been found here.

Riksdaler Banco and RdRM were used here for quite a long time under Markka became the currency. One of the main reasons was to stop Finland using Swedish money.
Quote: "Monninen1"
​Riksdaler Banco and RdRM were used here for quite a long time under Markka became the currency. One of the main reasons was to stop Finland using Swedish money.
​But wasn't the Rouble used between 1809 and 1865, when the markka was introduced?
Or did those Swedish coins continue circulating and being imported/used alongside Russian coins in that time?
Quote: "CassTaylor"
Quote: "Monninen1"​​
​​Riksdaler Banco and RdRM were used here for quite a long time under Markka became the currency. One of the main reasons was to stop Finland using Swedish money.
​​But wasn't the Rouble used between 1809 and 1865, when the markka was introduced?
​Or did those Swedish coins continue circulating and being imported/used alongside Russian coins in that time?
​Both! I do not know which one was used more, but Swedish coinage was a problem.

Russian coinage was also used during the great northern war 1710s but after the war Russian copper coins became "illegal". Russian silver coins could be still used
Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying!
Coins:

Turku coins:
See Finland - Turku

Swedish coinage: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/suede-1.html

Russian coinage: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/russia-empire-13.html#c_russia-empire263

Finland: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?mode=simplifie&p=1&l=finlande&r=&e=grand_principality_of_moscow&d=&ca=3&no=&i=&v=&m=&a=&t=&dg=&w=&u=&f=&g=&c=&tb=y&tc=y&tn=y&tp=y&tt=y&te=y&cat=y



Banknotes:

First Finnish banknotes were made in 1790.

Many denominations existed: 8, 12, 16, 24, 32 skilling and 1Rd 8sk, 1Rd 16sk, 1Rd 24sk, 1Rd 32sk, 1Rd40sk and 2 Riksdaler banknotes.


For banknotes under Russian rule (Rouble and Markka, actually also other banknotes) this site is good:
https://www.setelit.com/ruplat

Stamps:

Finland's first stamps were made in 1856. They were worth 5 and 10 kopek.

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