I had a talk with dptashny, the contest organizer, who told me he had to postpone (for personal purposes) the beginning of our 5th edition of the MPCC contest. MPCC V is now planned to start on March, 1st. Thank you for your comprehension.
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Good point. I'll ask him again, but as no news there is a chance it would be postponed again.
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He was already working on the actual contest. Don't worry.
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As I received no answer yet, I think we can consider it postponed again, to an undefined date. Wait and see.
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It is the first time I tried to participate and was quite excited.
But should it start one day, that may well happen completely unnoticed as everyone will have lost faith and nobody will anymore be checking this section.
It is only today that I remembered that it was meant to start two days ago.
Quote: "maudry"It is the first time I tried to participate and was quite excited.
But should it start one day, that may well happen completely unnoticed as everyone will have lost faith and nobody will anymore be checking this section.
It is only today that I remembered that it was meant to start two days ago.
it's already sort of like that, it became farcical by starting the next competition too soon after one finished, then there was the overall winner one year that didn't own the coin ha ! More recently though the competition started and dragged on forever everyone got sick and stopped voting. I think dptashny himself got sick too because he went awol half way through and left it to apuking to take the reigns, even though he was just helping with the translation.
although that time we did get a grand announcement of his departure in the free chat which was met with tumbleweed ;P
I'm new here but I think this contest could be very fun and I was looking forward to voting and, on the next edition, participating.
However, I think it should be managed by a reliable person, which all due respect doesn't appear to be the case here, and respect a timetable (like: it wil l start on ... - each round will go on for ... days - etc.). Otherwise as maudry said people lose interest.
It's a shame because it's a very good idea.
I confirm the 1st change of date (15-2/1-3) was necessary as he was sick before the contest malins him late.
However today I've still no idea about why he is missing the contest launch as he didn't read my PM yet. Maybe sick again...
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I think at this point we can safely assume that the contest in it's present form is now dead in the water.
Our organizer has vanished midstream for the second year in succession, there just in no way to re-establish any credibility at this point. I don't plan to participate as either an entrant or donor unless it's taken over by someone with both a lot of free time and credibility. I don't wish to be harsh on Daniel as the last I heard he has been sick and if this is the case I wish him nothing but a speedy and complete recovery. However if he really has been so sick that he can't even turn on his phone and send a brief message then he is in no shape to be putting energy into a competition of this size. He has managed to get himself banned from coin related Facebook groups and a lot of people are looking for him about unpaid bills. It's not good optics at all.
Pity really, the contest has been a source of a lot of enjoyment for a lot of people so I truly hope we can find some way to carry it on. I've always been of the opinion that the contest is too long winded and complex and is much too big for any one person to manage. I think the only workable option is for a team of reputable long term members. Anyone remember the farcical "contest" organized(sic) by Eitan where he nominated himself for all the prizes?
So.... does anyone feel like taking over on a permanent basis? If nobody wants to do it, then the separate forum might as well be shut down as it's not serving any useful purpose.
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Perhaps we could reorganize it to be a bit smaller. Do one section per month i.e. April: top coins from pacific/oceania, May: top coins from Asia, June: top coins from North America, July: top coins from South America, etc.
I don't consider the contest as "dead", but postponed again. I've posted in MPCC Admins Google group in order to get him reacting. Wait and see.
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Even if he comes back, can we trust him to finish the contest without disappearing again? I would hate to get back into the contest and then have him go AWOL again.
Even if you're sick or busy, with the amount of people who have tried to get hold of him, surely he has 5 minutes spare to pop on and say "look guys, I'm a little busy, I'll be back in a week or two, we'll do the competition then" In fact, that sentence took me all of 10 seconds to type.
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I've received a message from Daniel in Google. He's experiencing internet access issues making the contest opening difficult. We're working on a solution making us starting the contest without him. IMHO the contest may start at least this weekend.
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The contest will start tomorrow (morning in America, afternoon in Europe/Africa, evening in Asia/Oceania). I'll be able to launch the contest myself.
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I have problem seeing the pics. Some I can just see the obverse, other the reverse. Some I can see both coins of one country, but none of the other.
Does anyone else have this problem?
Seems only yours. But some ones may be due to the file type (.png instead of .jpg). Maybe an alternative load would work better.
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Usually we have 1 week between each round. However there is a lack of pics to start a full 2nd round. No answer till now, but stay tuned for any update.
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We've till Wed/Thu to take back concerned pics. This may be enough.
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dptashny's connexion issues remain still unsolved and seem worse (if not joint with other issues). I would start a new round, however, I've a lack of coins in some categories. If pic issue not solved for Wednesday (1 week after 1st round ending), I'll start a provisional 2nd round with only some categories I can launch (by this way C & H categories would be out of this round).
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<yawn> another year, another mickey mouse competition. The only year we didn't seem to have any issues was the one year that Apuking was in charge of things.
Be patient neil... If only I was organizing it myself, never we would have such issues. I'm only replacing the main organizer.
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Personally I would like to see us scrap this and start over.
I propose we have 2 categories per month rather than all of them at once. Give people until the end of April to send in pictures for the Pacific/Oceania and Asia categories, run those two categories during May, while that competition is running people can be sending in pictures for South and North America which we run during June, and so on with the other categories
For this edition it would be complicated to change anything. If there would have any change we'd have to wait for MPCC VI.
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I'm not talking about changing this edition, I'm talking about cancelling this one and starting fresh.
Last time we had over 20 rounds all up. If we're going to be having to wait until the pictures come through for each round then it could be going for a long time, or we end up like last time Dan went AWOL and when he returned he put up a new round every second day to try and catch up. and most people missed out on voting.
There's obviously interest in the competition, shown by the amount of votes, but I don't think it does the competition justice to have to wait so long for each round.
Quote: "neilithic"yes, you just vote for the coin you like the best, that's why it's called the Most Popular Coin Contest
Sarcastic much?
I meant are there categories, countries etc. or just random coins someone picks who apparently organises it.
I mention it because I don't see how the issue of someone who hasn't put coins forward to vote on can cause a problem. Why the waiting if it is as simple as a vote contest? I don't get the point behind it all.
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The competition is split into categories and users send in pictures of their own coins, the organiser then sorts out the rounds and we vote until there is one left in each category. Then the winner from each category goes up against each other to find the grand champion. There are prizes, I'm sponsoring the Pacific/Oceania section for obvious reasons, the prize is a New Zealand George V florin. It's the actual coins you're voting on, not a stock picture of the coins. For example, one year an Australian sovereign went up against a standard Australian florin. You'd think the gold sovereign would win hands down, but the sovereign was all battered and not at all attractive whereas the Florin was pristine and looked awesome, the florin won it easily.
The issue with the competition is that all the pictures that people entered were sent to Dptashny and so we have to either wait for him to return, or send the images through to Chomp. That is why I think we should cancel the competition, get a new organiser and start over. It would be much better to get someone we know is going to be here rather than waiting round in the hope that we may get a round this week.
I can't take the decision alone. I'll ask for a complete reboot and to send me back pics, but the original organizer has to take the final decision...
Except if he would take too much time to answer me. As he last answered me 2 weeks ago, I think a final decision will have to be taken in 2 weeks as well.
However, as announced last week, I'll start the provisional 2nd wave of coins.
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I'm happy with that. Contact Dan and ask if we can abandon this and stat over. If he agrees or you get no response then reboot it. If he does not agree then we need an assurance that he'll either be back, or the pictures will be available for us to get a round started on time each week.
Can anyone enter or is entries closed now? I have a few coins worthy of this contest in a British category, and would love to see reactions to some of my favourite coins.
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Entries for this one closed a while ago, although the deadline kept getting extended because Dan said he wasn't getting a very good response, which really is another reason to re-start the competition.
The lack of response this year was, in my opinion, a reaction to his previous disappearances. I didn't say anything publicly because I didn't wish to influence others to stay away but it's the reason why I decided not to enter.
I'm not wishing to be too hard on Daniel. I think the contest is a great idea but in it's present format it's too unwieldy and time consuming for any one person to manage. It's also a pretty thankless task. While it's fair to say that many of the problems currently arising are self inflicted they can't all be laid at one person's door.
Every time someone tries to game the system they are adding to the workload. When one of the winners was using a stolen image of a coin he didn't own there was a lot of criticism directed at the organiser. So now we have added checks to stop someone cheating in a free contest. Sigh. This year we have had only one round and already we've seen people using sock puppet accounts to vote. What the hell is wrong with you people? It's a nice contest between friends and you're going to cheat? GTFO.
I thoroughly enjoyed participating during the first event, even though I didn't win. Issues with slow page loads prevented me from taking part until this year when the problem was finally fixed. As you may imagine, I was looking forward to taking part. I still think it's possible for everyone to pitch in behind a new organiser, finish the contest and return next year with new ideas, new enthusiasm and make the contest a real winner.
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Quote: "pnightingale" I still think it's possible for everyone to pitch in behind a new organiser, finish the contest and return next year with new ideas, new enthusiasm and make the contest a real winner.
Next year? I think that's too far away. I was prevented from entering the contest because of the post numbers rule so I'm looking forward to the next event but if it's in a year my enthusiasm may falter. If the duration of each contest is shortened we could have 2 or 3 each year, and maybe we can have the winners of the year's contests competing against each other at the end of the year.
Anyway at this point I think someone else needs to take over, be it a single person or a committee to split the workload and provide backup in case of problem/unavailability. Not knowing if we're going to have the next round next week or in two weeks, or if the contest is going to be canceled midstream, is a huge inconvenience.
Also I think it takes too long, something like the following could be good here.
- First a pool phase, with all the coins from the same category competing against each other. Each voter gives, for example, 4 points to their favorite, 2 to the 2nd favorite, and 1 for the 3rd (or whatever points/rank scheme we find best). The first 4 or 8 coins go to the next phase (I have no idea how many coins are submitted, or would be submitted under new management).
- In each category, coins compete one-on-one simultaneously for as many rounds as are needed, i.e. if 4 coins passed the pool phase there are 2 semi-finals at the same time, then a final round.
- the winners from each category compete against each other in the final phase, rules are the same as the previous phase.
Each voting round has to last the same time, 1 week I think would be best.
Next year? NO. But in a few months it would be enough.
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Quote: "chomp-master"I'll start a provisional 2nd round with only some categories I can launch (by this way C & H categories would be out of this round).
This is what happened. Still no news.
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Quote: "pnightingale" I still think it's possible for everyone to pitch in behind a new organiser, finish the contest and return next year with new ideas, new enthusiasm and make the contest a real winner.
Next year? I think that's too far away. I was prevented from entering the contest because of the post numbers rule so I'm looking forward to the next event but if it's in a year my enthusiasm may falter. If the duration of each contest is shortened we could have 2 or 3 each year, and maybe we can have the winners of the year's contests competing against each other at the end of the year.
Anyway at this point I think someone else needs to take over, be it a single person or a committee to split the workload and provide backup in case of problem/unavailability. Not knowing if we're going to have the next round next week or in two weeks, or if the contest is going to be canceled midstream, is a huge inconvenience.
Also I think it takes too long, something like the following could be good here.
- First a pool phase, with all the coins from the same category competing against each other. Each voter gives, for example, 4 points to their favorite, 2 to the 2nd favorite, and 1 for the 3rd (or whatever points/rank scheme we find best). The first 4 or 8 coins go to the next phase (I have no idea how many coins are submitted, or would be submitted under new management).
- In each category, coins compete one-on-one simultaneously for as many rounds as are needed, i.e. if 4 coins passed the pool phase there are 2 semi-finals at the same time, then a final round.
- the winners from each category compete against each other in the final phase, rules are the same as the previous phase.
Each voting round has to last the same time, 1 week I think would be best.
MUAHHAHHAHAHAHA
"the community" decided against such proposed improvements.
The main organizer held an crucial vote upon such requests from me, bam777 and some others.
If i would organize the contest it would be a thing of 4 weeks, once a year. Something special.
Not an endless loophole of boredom. But since we lost the vote for improving or considering changes on this competition i dont give a f*ck on this contest.
You didn't just lose the vote Hamster boy, you were destroyed in the vote. If I remember there were some 20+ votes for the current format and the other two options got enough votes combined to count on one hand.
The format is fine, it's the running of the competition which is the issue
Quote: "neilithic"You didn't just lose the vote Hamster boy, you were destroyed in the vote. If I remember there were some 20+ votes for the current format and the other two options got enough votes combined to count on one hand.
The format is fine, it's the running of the competition which is the issue
baaaahhhhh baaaahhhhhhh baaahhhhhhhh
When "numistasheeps" flock together, the outcome is pretty predictable. Awful lengthy, remarkably boring and at death´s door after the first rounds.
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Quote: "Muenzenhamster"Muenzenhamster
baaaahhhhh baaaahhhhhhh baaahhhhhhhh
When "numistasheeps" flock together, the outcome is pretty predictable. Awful lengthy, remarkably boring and at death´s door after the first rounds.
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Keep telling yourself that if it soothes the hurt from the ass-whipping. If anyone wants the cliff notes of the lunacy of Hamster man in that thread, he:
Stated as fact that the majority of Numista users were tired with the format (disproved by 80% of people voting for the current format)
Claimed there were too many "junk" coins in the competition and they should be removed before the competition started (despite the fact a low value coin ended up winning the entire competition)
Complained that the organiser had not put some of his coins in the competition (mainly because he had missed the deadline for submitting coins)
Claimed that the fact a 3 day round received less votes than a one week round was "proof" that people were being disillusioned with the competition
There were many more ravings from the lunatic but these were the most amusing.
Quote: "neilithic"You didn't just lose the vote Hamster boy, you were destroyed in the vote. If I remember there were some 20+ votes for the current format and the other two options got enough votes combined to count on one hand.
The format is fine, it's the running of the competition which is the issue
baaaahhhhh baaaahhhhhhh baaahhhhhhhh
When "numistasheeps" flock together, the outcome is pretty predictable. Awful lengthy, remarkably boring and at death´s door after the first rounds.
no further comment needed
Your posts remind me of a 15 year old with an attitude problem and keyboard warrior complex. *Your vote wins "See told you, I am awesome and my idea is what everyone flocked too"..... * loses vote "you are all sheep and that is the only reason you did not vote for me....I don't care anyway!!! (Stamps feet while pretending not to give a shit because you got owned by a poll)"
You sir are a dime a dozen, still believing that laughing at defeat and blaming other things but yourself for your failures somehow looks true. Going as far as to search for a picture of sheep just to post here with your rebel response.
You are the only person I have truly come to dislike here and Numista was a better place without a snotty teenager frame of mind keyboard warrior ruining its pages. So far all you have done is insult people since returning from a ban.
I will assume some witty response will ensue about you not caring what I say etc.
Dime a dozen.
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And this is occulting the main news: the organizer is going to come back this weekend to continue normal contest involvement.
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Well we hope he stays for good this time, after promising that we wouldn't have the issues of previous years, to drop off the radar before the competition has even started has to be some kind of record.
That's why I tried to replace him as well as possible according to the few pics he was able to share me.
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Quote: "neilithic"Well we hope he stays for good this time, after promising that we wouldn't have the issues of previous years, to drop off the radar before the competition has even started has to be some kind of record.
yea and the connection issues thing is also strange... Unless you have a desktop only you could use a cafe hotspot or something since you made the commitment
Since i heavily doubt it that the main organisator turns up again. Why else should he email me stating i may further organise MPCC?
Just for the records
MPCC V C2
Ghana 2: Kenya 0
Next week i will publish the new groups for the new votings. My french is not so good but if chomp master wants to help me translate into french that would be very kind.
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It was an unofficial round. C2 will start tomorrow.
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