Interesting fake 20 Kreuzer coin

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Hello,

Recently purchased 20 Kreuzer coin. It was cheap so I bought it because don't have one and presumed that they all are copper.



On returning I searched the website and it seams that 20 Kreuzer in 1896 vas made from silver and this one looks either copper or some kind of brass alloy.

Size matches the original (don't weighted it) and the design looks worn but reasonably detailed.

Can someone shed a light on this coin - is it fake or some bastardized original

Thanks in advance
There is many documentation on this site to test silver coins :
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic4060.html
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic3557.html
etc...

My prefered method is the ice-cube test:

Silver leds very well cold. Silver is cold conductive.
If you press a good coin of french 5 francs in silver on an ice cube, it sinks rapidly into the ice by melting the ice and the coin freezes immediately.
Contrarily to a 5-franc Nickel coin where the transmission of temperature in the coin is much slower, as well as for coins in copper-nickel alloy.
It is a fondant experirence ...
Referee of south atlantic islands
Looks like this is not silver (as I presumed, because the color is not remotely "silverish")

What's the point in making this kind of fake - coloris wrong, walue is not that great, ant the work to make dye hawe to be long.

The coin looks denuinely worn, maybe this is some kind of old fake.
you should definitely be a skilled numismatist to detect, just by sight, that your coin is not made with 50% silver :8D
Referee of south atlantic islands
propably ver low silver contents (.52)
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Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
I have this coin: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4962.html
And the color on mine is only slightly more silvery than yours.
If it's not a rare date/mintmark maybe it's just very worn or an "error" in the minting process of some sort.
It is probably a forgery from the original era. I had a George IV shilling that was the same, it was copper but had traces of silver on it, so it was obviously a copper forgery that had been silver plated and passed off as genuine but over the years the silver plating had mostly been worn off.
Quote: "Frenchlover"​you should definitely be a skilled numismatist to detect, just by sight, that your coin is not made with 50% silver :8D
​I dont knew at the the time that these coins suposed to be silver (I have no habsburg coins from that time), and it was in a cheap coin pile so I bought thinking that it suposed to be made from this copper/bronze/what ever.

On the other hand some legit 20 kreuzer coins are same color as the one I have:
https://www.coins-auctioned.com/auctions/austria-20-kreuzer-franz-joseph-i-1870-km2212-10755

http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,198972942,var,Austria-Hungary-20-Kreuzer-1869-silver-coin-Franz-Josef,language,E.html

Some strange silver they were using
If it is fake, it is contemporary fake, faux d'epoque. But you should upload bigger images. I had met a lot of Austrian ancient coins which were faked, or better say counterfeited, apparently Austrian coins were the most counterfeited ones in their times. Have a look at one of mine 20 Kreuzers here:

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic41169.html
Check my coins for sale:
http://www.ebay.com/usr/lidianb
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Please stop calling these coins ancient. It hurts :(
The coin does not look fake to me, thought the pictures are too small to be 100% sure.
It is low content silver and this type very often looks more like copper then silver due to wear and especially after cleaning with stronger chemicals then necessary, since very little silver is left in the alloy.
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
Than you al for the replies, I'm gona upload better pictures when i get my hands on something better than the phone camera
Hello,
Here is a pic of mine. It is 1868. reasonably worn but retains quite well the silver colors.

Indeed it is only half silver and on some coins the copper yellow comes out.
Weight would probably make the difference. Mine is 2.56 gr. Yours ?

Regards,
André

edit. Had forgotten the pic 0:)
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Quote: "Andrey"​The coin does not look fake to me, thought the pictures are too small to be 100% sure.
​It is low content silver and this type very often looks more like copper then silver due to wear and especially after cleaning with stronger chemicals then necessary, since very little silver is left in the alloy.
​I agree. I've had several coins from the same period which at first glance appeared to be made from copper.
Non illegitimis carborundum est.  Excellent advice for all coins.
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