I don't think it's either of the ones i've linked. :(
First of all, here is the correct orientation of the first pic:
And second, these are the elements that i don't think i've seen on Moroccan coins:
The bars in between the hexagram spikes and the circle-y things on the spikes. Tho the circle-y thing seen might be part of a word.
I've been looking through zeno for hexagrams with bars between the spikes but so far nothing ... :(
EDIT: http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=38388 is close but no cigar ...
The moderator of Egypt (probably) put the category: "Egypt - Akçe (1327-1687)"
And that is well within Mamluk timeline. I think he intended to include them as well. Although i have no idea what happened in 1327 as the Mamluks ruled from much earlier (monetary reform ?). You should send him a message.
Hi, dears.
Yes, for me it also looks like mamluks.
As Mamluk Sultanate was a different state just partially based on current Egypt territory, it should be put as separate state, or probably in " Islamic Khaliphates" . Main aim of Sultanate was to have a controll over Mecca and Medina, which they were doing succesfully. So, this Sultanate was partially in egypt, partially in Levant, and partially in Arabia ( Hejaz territory)
many of their coins were overstrike over Ayubbids coins, so they may contain both - Ayubbids and Mamluks coinage elements.
Im not an expert in that period ( I mostly specialized on Ottoman Egypt - to ourdays) .
Still open my question, which I asked 6 months ago - were should be put Harar coins? -still no answer.
probably Kenny could help with localisation of this mamluk coin? ...
Zeno has The east African sultanates separate. Kilwa, harar, Mogadishu and Zanzibar. I would have hoped they had some Aden sultanate coins there but they don't.
Quote: Heretic_CataZeno has The east African sultanates separate. Kilwa, harar, Mogadishu and Zanzibar. I would have hoped they had some Aden sultanate coins there but they don't.
If the coin is from al-Qahira mint, which is today's Cairo, I suppose it should be classified under Egypt. States changed borders through history. E.g. Ottoman coins were mint in many different countries (Turkey, Bosnia, Egypt, Lybia, Tunisia, Syria, to name just a few), and catalogues usually list them under countries, depending on the mint location.
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
Quote: AndreyIf the coin is from al-Qahira mint, which is today's Cairo, I suppose it should be classified under Egypt. States changed borders through history. E.g. Ottoman coins were mint in many different countries (Turkey, Bosnia, Egypt, Lybia, Tunisia, Syria, to name just a few), and catalogues usually list them under countries, depending on the mint location.
Hello,
Ottoman coinage for vassal countries is another story. Because Those states were mostly under the Ottoman rule, but had their own coinage( Egypt, Tunissia, Libya, Sudan, ) - these were states under Ottoman. However, there were also a lot of cities with mints, which were direct ottoman territory, and all those mints are classified under ottoman coinage. Even Roman coinage of Province Egypt doesnot listed under Egypt, but under Roman provinces.
Mamluks Halifate was separate state, just located partially on Egyptian territory, so my opinion that it shouldnot be listed under Egypt.
Quote: AndreyIf the coin is from al-Qahira mint, which is today's Cairo, I suppose it should be classified under Egypt. States changed borders through history. E.g. Ottoman coins were mint in many different countries (Turkey, Bosnia, Egypt, Lybia, Tunisia, Syria, to name just a few), and catalogues usually list them under countries, depending on the mint location.
Hello,
Ottoman coinage for vassal countries is another story. Because Those states were mostly under the Ottoman rule, but had their own coinage( Egypt, Tunissia, Libya, Sudan, ) - these were states under Ottoman. However, there were also a lot of cities with mints, which were direct ottoman territory, and all those mints are classified under ottoman coinage. Even Roman coinage of Province Egypt doesnot listed under Egypt, but under Roman provinces.
Mamluks Halifate was separate state, just located partially on Egyptian territory, so my opinion that it shouldnot be listed under Egypt.
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David
I agree, it should be its own country. Now let's hope that moderators agree.
