help me identify this silver coin.

Where is that inintelligent.
Sujit_Kumar.

Shah Jahan Rupee.

What is inintelligent ??  

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What is inintelligent ??  

intelligent spelled wrong

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What is inintelligent ??  

You should start charging for all the IDs you give this guy... You could build a collection fast!

Lol  

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No. There is something called consideration and etiquette which seems to be missing.  Pumping this many coins for identification is somewhat rude.  Looks like he is pawning off his identification work for others to do.  Did he even spend the time to identify the coin himself before posting?

Personally, I would be very hesitant to post this many coins for identification.  And when I do post, you can bet I spent a considerable amount of time trying my best to identify it myself...

I tried a lot. I am a beginner . I am collecting only since 1 year. I am very weak in identification.

it's not rude I don't understand. if someone is in need of help this person has right to ask for help

Quote: kolikko99it's not rude I don't understand. if someone is in need of help this person has right to ask for help

Helping someone is fine, but pumping this many coins is rude.  It is like taking advantage of the situation.  There are better ways of informing an individual than just "giving the answers".  The classic proverb Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime fits this situation.  There are tons of free books to help in identifying a coin.  Heck, even Krause is available in limited viewing under Google.com...

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Quote: kolikko99it's not rude I don't understand. if someone is in need of help this person has right to ask for help

Helping someone is fine, but pumping this many coins is rude.  It is like taking advantage of the situation.  There are better ways of informing an individual than just "giving the answers".  The classic proverb Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime fits this situation.  There are tons of free books to help in identifying a coin.  Heck, even Krause is available in limited viewing under Google.com...

Come on you don't have to be an etiquette nazi because there is no need for that don't take everything so seriously and understand the fact that this person is a newbie

Quote: kolikko99Come on you don't have to be an etiquette nazi because there is no need for that don't take everything so seriously and understand the fact that this person is a newbie

It will do him no good at all for doing these quick identifications as he will keep coming back for more identifications.  It will benefit him more if he can do it himself as he will be able to identify fakes from real coins.  Of course, if he is stuck, then by all means post it here to see if someone can help...

For instance, if he downloaded the following book, he can easily identify his own coins and any future coins from the Mughal empire:

Whitehead, R. B., Catalogue of Coins in the Panjab Museum, Volume II - Coins of the Mughal Emperors, The Panjab Government, 1914

It is the tools that these new collectors need to help them identify their coins, not just a quick one sentence identification of their coins...

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Quote: kolikko99Come on you don't have to be an etiquette nazi because there is no need for that don't take everything so seriously and understand the fact that this person is a newbie

It will do him no good at all for doing these quick identifications as he will keep coming back for more identifications.  It will benefit him more if he can do it himself as he will be able to identify fakes from real coins.  Of course, if he is stuck, then by all means post it here to see if someone can help...

well if you think that then don't start by saying that's rude

YOU are rude

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Quote: kolikko99Come on you don't have to be an etiquette nazi because there is no need for that don't take everything so seriously and understand the fact that this person is a newbie

It will do him no good at all for doing these quick identifications as he will keep coming back for more identifications.  It will benefit him more if he can do it himself as he will be able to identify fakes from real coins.  Of course, if he is stuck, then by all means post it here to see if someone can help...

well if you think that then don't start by saying that's rude

YOU are rude

So be it but it is still RUDE and inconsiderate posting this many coins for identification in such a short period of time.  We are having the same problem on worldofcoins.eu and I am tempted to ask Peter to start imposing quotas for identification based on the users total number of posts.  We have users whose total posts are nothing but identifications and hence don't contribute at all to the forum.  This prompted me to give up identifying certain types of coins.  It is just not worth the time...

I guess for a beginner who somehow got a bunch of coins it's normal to check what he found. Indian coins are so diverse it is impossible to find a given coin in one book. Even if you get a bunch of books you need the basic knowledge of which book to pick first to start looking.

When i started out, i remember trying to find a Gadhaiya Paisa in Krause catalog. Only after a while did i realize that Krause only covers coins starting from Akbar's era and the coin i had was minted before that. You definitely need lot of time and effort to be able to reach some state of knowledge. Many collectors simply are not interested to spend time reading books to get more details. Or simply not interested in that section of coinage. For an example i have few ancient roman coins but i never brought a book to go through. I would prefer to ask around to other who know about roman coins than to try and find it myself.

Just my point of view.

Quote: sujit_kumarI guess for a beginner who somehow got a bunch of coins it's normal to check what he found. Indian coins are so diverse it is impossible to find a given coin in one book. Even if you get a bunch of books you need the basic knowledge of which book to pick first to start looking.

Of course, but it needs to be followed up with, "BTW, you can get more information from here".  Otherwise, it is just a never ending cycle of identifications.  We all want collectors to thrive and the only way for that to happen is to increase their knowledge.  There are times when you end up with a lot of coins and don't know where it came from.  But, even then, you have some information as where the lot came from and you go from there.  If it is written in Arabic, Persian, or any other language, you have further information on where to pinpoint your search.  It DOES take time, but it is a very enjoyable and you gain a lot of knowledgable too.

Quote: sujit_kumarWhen i started out, i remember trying to find a Gadhaiya Paisa in Krause catalog. Only after a while did i realize that Krause only covers coins starting from Akbar's era and the coin i had was minted before that. You definitely need lot of time and effort to be able to reach some state of knowledge. Many collectors simply are not interested to spend time reading books to get more details. Or simply not interested in that section of coinage. For an example i have few ancient roman coins but i never brought a book to go through. I would prefer to ask around to other who know about roman coins than to try and find it myself.

Just my point of view.

Of the tons of books I have, I have read maybe a page or two in any one particular book.  So, you don't need to read that many pages to get to the information at hand.  Flipping through the plates in some of these books is a great way of identifying the coins.  

What does Numisdoc have for a "Beginner's Guide to Hammered Indian Coins"?

Quote: CeruleanWhat does Numisdoc have for a "Beginner's Guide to Hammered Indian Coins"?

What area are you looking for?  Northern or Southern India.  Most collectors concentrate on Northern India and there are tons of free resources for Northern Indian coins.  If you have some basic understanding of Indian history, you can easily determine whether it is represented in Krause or not (e.g., Arabic/Persian intervention, etc).

Quote: CeruleanWhat does Numisdoc have for a "Beginner's Guide to Hammered Indian Coins"?

Beginner's Guide is Numista. Put the weight/diameter and see if you get any matches. Though Numista catalog is nowhere near complete it has most of the common hammered indian coins by now. I would start from there.

I once did put together some ID marks on Indian hammered coins and asked it to be a Numisdoc. Which never happened. So i had put it as a Blog site  (Back in 2013) https://indiacoinsmarks.wordpress.com/2013/10/30/common-identification-marks-on-indian-coins/

Quote: Quant.GeekOf the tons of books I have, I have read maybe a page or two in any one particular book.  So, you don't need to read that many pages to get to the information at hand.  Flipping through the plates in some of these books is a great way of identifying the coins.

I do have quite a few books on Indian coins. Of those i refer to maybe 3/4 of them constantly. I wish i could read through all of them but time does not allow me to do so.

For a beginner however i wouldn't recommend buying selves of books on day 1. First one has to figure out his interest area, then proceed to specialization. Buying gazillions of books or coins for a beginner might be lose of money and effort. First one needs to develop interest then proceed towards expertise.

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Quote: Quant.GeekOf the tons of books I have, I have read maybe a page or two in any one particular book.  So, you don't need to read that many pages to get to the information at hand.  Flipping through the plates in some of these books is a great way of identifying the coins.

I do have quite a few books on Indian coins. Of those i refer to maybe 3/4 of them constantly. I wish i could read through all of them but time does not allow me to do so.

For a beginner however i wouldn't recommend buying selves of books on day 1. First one has to figure out his interest area, then proceed to specialization. Buying gazillions of books or coins for a beginner might be lose of money and effort. First one needs to develop interest then proceed towards expertise.

No one is asking to outlay any money to buy books.  In fact, I would advise against it until you have pinpointed on your interests, exactly what you said.  However, there are A LOT of good FREE books that can be downloaded that fills the gap and hence you should have that in your library.  Those books are a minimum if you are planning on collecting any Indian coins.  Even Krause is freely viewable in Google!!

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Quote: Quant.GeekOf the tons of books I have, I have read maybe a page or two in any one particular book.  So, you don't need to read that many pages to get to the information at hand.  Flipping through the plates in some of these books is a great way of identifying the coins.

I do have quite a few books on Indian coins. Of those i refer to maybe 3/4 of them constantly. I wish i could read through all of them but time does not allow me to do so.

For a beginner however i wouldn't recommend buying selves of books on day 1. First one has to figure out his interest area, then proceed to specialization. Buying gazillions of books or coins for a beginner might be lose of money and effort. First one needs to develop interest then proceed towards expertise.

No one is asking to outlay any money to buy books.  In fact, I would advise against it until you have pinpointed on your interests, exactly what you said.  However, there are A LOT of good FREE books that can be downloaded that fills the gap and hence you should have that in your library.  Those books are a minimum if you are planning on collecting any Indian coins.  Even Krause is freely viewable in Google!!

Quant.Geek I posted double this amount of coins and people were more than happy to help me. You are just a total A-hole.

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Quote: Quant.GeekOf the tons of books I have, I have read maybe a page or two in any one particular book.  So, you don't need to read that many pages to get to the information at hand.  Flipping through the plates in some of these books is a great way of identifying the coins.

I do have quite a few books on Indian coins. Of those i refer to maybe 3/4 of them constantly. I wish i could read through all of them but time does not allow me to do so.

For a beginner however i wouldn't recommend buying selves of books on day 1. First one has to figure out his interest area, then proceed to specialization. Buying gazillions of books or coins for a beginner might be lose of money and effort. First one needs to develop interest then proceed towards expertise.

No one is asking to outlay any money to buy books.  In fact, I would advise against it until you have pinpointed on your interests, exactly what you said.  However, there are A LOT of good FREE books that can be downloaded that fills the gap and hence you should have that in your library.  Those books are a minimum if you are planning on collecting any Indian coins.  Even Krause is freely viewable in Google!!

Quant.Geek I posted double this amount of coins and people were more than happy to help me. You are just a total A-hole.

No actually he isn't. He has a valid point. The person asking for all of this help does not say thank you and he does not provide additional info that is requested. He just repeats the demand for an ID. He is still doing it months later. He has not contributed anywhere else in the forum nor has he added a single coin into his collection meaning 1 of 2 things. Either A the coin isn't on numista and he could add it now that the coin was ID'd or B the coin is here but he is only interested in getting his answers. Quant Geek has been hugely helpful in IDing plenty of coins. His request for some tact and decorum is correct. If you have nothing better to add than you are being an ahole on a 4 month old thread it's probably best to not contribute.

Quote: Quant.GeekQuant.Geek I posted double this amount of coins and people were more than happy to help me. You are just a total A-hole.

Geek is right on the money, this guy is a leech, he is using Numista as his own little service to ID any coins he may have.

You also believe he is a noobie? why? from one mention he has only been collecting a year? Bit gullible to instantly believe that isn't it?

would a collector wanting to be part of a community that can always get help when needed have a profile like this?

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His posts are not asking for help, He is abusing the help available.

Stop being so gullible by jumping to his aid and believing anything he types instead of attacking those that are contributors to Numista, a swift check of his profile would have revealed he isn't interested in Numista, but instead you grabbed your pitch forks and went after geek.

You owe Geek an apology in my opinion  

There is a point where it becomes a bit tedious with the amount of ID requests.  Sure when you first start collecting you're going to need a bit of help, and even seasoned collectors need a bit of help with the odd curly one.  But part of collecting is learning to ID the coins yourself, learning to read the dates of the various calendars is half the job done, and with the good online catalogues and good search engines it's not too hard to plug in a coin's characteristics and search through the results.  

So when does it go from "I'm learning, I need help IDing a coin" to "I'm too lazy to search for it myself, do all my work for me"?  Hard to say, but I think you'll know it yourself.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day but teach a man to fish and he will never go hungry.

I don't think the biggest problem is the amount of identifications he asks but the fact that he seldom ends with a sincere thank you for those who put time and effort in it to help him.
I always try to help everyone whenever I can but I'm sensitive for a simple thank you. That's the only thing I want no matter how much effort I had to do to help someone. And as long as I get that sincere thank you I don't even notice the amount of questions for help. It's only when you start seeing that there is rarely a thanks you start noticing the amount of questions. If someone is not bothered by asking 60 times an identification, he shouldn't bother either to say thank you 60 times.
For the record, he did say thanks a very few times, and he did make some contributions to help others too (2 times).

But of course Quant. Geek and others are right. The more you try to make identifications on your own, the more you learn how to do it and where to look.
But to be honest, old Indian coins aren't the most easy ones to identify.

Quote: drew123Quant.Geek I posted double this amount of coins and people were more than happy to help me. You are just a total A-hole.

Everybody has the right to have his own opinion. But calling names when opinions differ doesn't help anyone and is very inappropriate and rude. It says much more about you than about the person you're attacking.

Quote: sujit_kumarI once did put together some ID marks on Indian hammered coins and asked it to be a Numisdoc. Which never happened. So i had put it as a Blog site  (Back in 2013) https://indiacoinsmarks.wordpress.com/2013/10/30/common-identification-marks-on-indian-coins/

Very nice job sujit_kumar, thank you very much. It really is a pity all that effort isn't awarded with a place in Numisdoc.
I added it immediately at my favorites/bookmarks.

Quote: Quant.GeekFor instance, if he downloaded the following book, he can easily identify his own coins and any future coins from the Mughal empire:

Whitehead, R. B., Catalogue of Coins in the Panjab Museum, Volume II - Coins of the Mughal Emperors, The Panjab Government, 1914

I'm sure this is a very helpful instrument for coin identification but for a beginner, a catalog without any pictures is certainly not easy. And especially not for a difficult subject like old Indian coins.

As a moderator in another forum, let me put this into perspective.  We put in A LOT of our precious hours away from work and away from family to help others.  I, personally, have uploaded tons of my coins to various forums which most of you probably frequent, including zeno.ru, WorldofCoins, and forumancientcoins.  Looking back at all of my posts, I suspect I have only posted maybe three or four posts in total over a five year span for identification!  Majority of the posts were to aid in the classification of coins for others (as well as to show off my precious coins   ).  Now that doesn't mean I know every type of coin there is.  I just spend the time to identify and research the coins myself and when I am stuck, then I will gladly reach out and ask someone.  Majority of the coins that most people post are well known and hence can be identified with certainty with the correct tools.  

What people are forgetting is that this is a HOBBY and by definition it REQUIRES the hobbyist to SPEND TIME.  There is a very fine line between collecting coins and hoarding coins.  If you refuse to spend time with your hobby, then you are hoarding.

Aside from the rudeness of the posts, there are other things that irks me with some of the identification requests we get.  At times, people ask for identification and post NO INFORMATION WHATSOEVER even though they have some inkling as to what the coin might be.  Come on!  We are trying to help you, but you got to give us ANY AND ALL information you have even if it might be wrong.  Things like, where did you find it, what do you think it might be, what did you do to try to identify it, weight, size, partial legends you read, etc...

The multiple posts of "identify this" in multiple forums and not having the decency of responding back to ALL THE FORUMS when it has been identified.  This leaves moderators and users in other forums spending their time identifying a previously identified coin!  

And let me tell you one last thing, I have been online longer than most users, predating the World Wide Web by over a decade and hence have been posting online since the early days of the bulletin boards using a 300 baud modem. Net etiquette has been declining and it needs to be addressed.  So calling me names is not going to help.

For the rest of the guys, thanks for backing up my stance...

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Quote: Quant.GeekFor instance, if he downloaded the following book, he can easily identify his own coins and any future coins from the Mughal empire:

Whitehead, R. B., Catalogue of Coins in the Panjab Museum, Volume II - Coins of the Mughal Emperors, The Panjab Government, 1914

I'm sure this is a very helpful instrument for coin identification but for a beginner, a catalog without any pictures is certainly not easy. And especially not for a difficult subject like old Indian coins.

The older catalogs have the plates in the back of the book   .  However, not all the coins are photographed.  This is just one of many books that are freely available.  I, personally, use about three or four books for my Mughal coins and all of them are free.  Krause can be googled and hence the cached pages are also available...

I always search and hunt down a coin ID, it does help a massive amount with finding similar coins that I may already have or will have in the future. The only time I will ever ask for help is if I have exhausted google image descriptions or cannot read the coin at all or pinpoint a certain detail.

I learn a lot more researching all coins myself, I cant see their being any appeal to never knowing anything about your own hobby.  

I love the feeling of satisfaction from identifying a coin that has eluded me for years. However it's just not practical to become an expert on the characteristics of every series. That's where the Coin ID forum comes into play. If you have a question about UK copper or bronze then I'll probably be able to answer it, even help with some of the obscure varieties although minor die changes are not really my thing. On the other hand I know very little about Indian coins, but I know Sujit or Joseph will be identify even the most obscure coins in a heartbeat.  Hungarian coins? Imreh! Mexican coins? Erdvilla! It's a really beautiful system and a great way to make friends with collectors outside of your area of interest with whom you probably wouldn't have much contact otherwise.

Having been an avid coin collector for many decades, like many of you I had an accumulation of coins that despite my best efforts I couldn't identify.  I tried asking for help on a few other coin forums and despite finding a few people willing to help, I was infuriated by some of the condescending responses, often from some snot nosed kid with a superiority complex.  It won't come as a shock to anyone who knows me when I say, "It didn't end well". You can knock me down, step on my face, slander my name all over the place, but don't step on my blue suede shoes or try to patronize me or I'll make you look like a complete paint drinker.

It was such a relief to discover Numista and it's drama free community. Out of all those mystery coins I have only two which remain a mystery. One actually, I just gave a partially identified silver coin to a very dear fellow collector. Now it's HIS problem!    Some of them I've actually managed to identify myself because of a few clues picked up from reading the posts of others.

I think the point has been very well made that our rather ill mannered friend is neither learning anything or getting as much enjoyment from this hobby as he could if he was a little less lazy.

P.S. Quaint Geek, now you have piqued my curiosity. Which coin forum do you moderate? I hope you are not the person who deleted my post on Coin Talk which referenced Elvis Presley because "you can't mention dead people". Yeah, that happened. On one of the premier and best known coin forums..... "you can't mention dead people".  Sigh.  If you don't wish to post it publicly feel free to send me a PM, I'm always interested in well run coin websites. It gives me something to do when I'm banned here or the site disappears for a few days.

Quote: pnightingaleP.S. Quaint Geek, now you have piqued my curiosity. Which coin forum do you moderate? I hope you are not the person who deleted my post on Coin Talk which referenced Elvis Presley because "you can't mention dead people". Yeah, that happened. On one of the premier and best known coin forums..... "you can't mention dead people".  Sigh.  If you don't wish to post it publicly feel free to send me a PM, I'm always interested in well run coin websites. It gives me something to do when I'm banned here or the site disappears for a few days.

I am one of the many moderators on WorldofCoins (www.worldofcoins.eu), specifically for the Christian Coins board.  We got a lovely bunch of guys who are knowledgeable in a wide range of areas.  So, come on board if you wish.

What's wrong with mentioning the King!!??!  Been an Elvis fan for years!  Can't really mention coins without mentioning some dead person   .