GEORGIA 50tetri, 1 and 2 lari edge lettering varietes

There are  two varieties of edge lettering in these  coins:

1. Edge lettering readable from obverse
2. Edge lettering readable from  reverse.

If such varieties are interesting for someone,  they could be added as information.


Im also  working to catch  one more detail:   short and high lettering and small and large star  between  GEORGIA * საქართველო.   Will report soon - just need   a quantity of UNC  coins to confirm my doubts, because after  use  stars could be  seems  bit larger then on  UNC coins.  well, - let you know...



thanks,
David

That's not a variety. Each coin with edge lettering may have 2 orientations of the inscription.

agree with you, but here was a topic  where many members   had another opinion, and  I   just want to say that  Georgian coins  also have same two types, and, if moderators want, they  can add it in description ( in the field " comment" . I dont htink  that they are varietes , as you.

Regarding your  remark that  ANY coin  has these two  orientation  of inscription -  dont agree.  

best
David

The edge lettering is being minted first, and the images of obverse and reverse - later, at another machine. As I know, it´s impossible to control which side will be up, and which will be down. So about 50% of the coins will have the inscription readable from the obverse, and the other 50% - from the reverse.

Quote: ciscoinsThe edge lettering is being minted first, and the images of obverse and reverse - later, at another machine. As I know, it´s impossible to control which side will be up, and which will be down. So about 50% of the coins will have the inscription readable from the obverse, and the other 50% - from the reverse.

As  I already said - I   agree with you.
For me it is also  doesn't mean  coin  variety  ( or  subtype )
But  as I understood many members are interest in  this stuff  as well.  
regarding all coins -  I did  several times  such  investigations, and  have not  found  50/50  percentage in  old coins ( pre-1950) . Most of  them have  just one specific orientation,  and  if eventually  found  another orientation, its  may be more an error struck then  orientation.
 today`s  coins, and Georgian as well, have, as you say, average 50/50 %  edge lettering orientation.

But if my doubts about stars and letters size will confirmed, It  already must be a new subtypes.

You are both right. But still, it should be mentioned as a variety in Numista catalogue.
Regards
Kuna

The 2 lari coin I have has GEORGIA and საქართველო repeated twice. once readable from obverse and once readable from reverse. If that's the case for all of them, there aren't two varieties.

to explain better:
#1. from obverse we read:  GEORGIA  * საქართველო   and  from reverse  -  საქართველო * GEORGIA ( but not same  combination ! )
#2. from obverse we read: საქართველო * GEORGIA  and from reverse - GEORGIA  * საქართველო

so we never read same from obverse and reverse
variety 1:  AB/BA
variety 2:  BA/AB

for someone this is variety,  for others - nothing.  but anyway better if people will know about it !

Wow.

I have sent you a PM, but I am game for both version
(I need to check what somewhere in Causcasian folder)

Do any of you have the Belgian coins
5 francs km97.1
5 francs km98
5 francs km108
etc?

I mention this because of the notion pos a and pos b in the SCWC! I don't know why the following definition is only used for Belgian coins, but think about all the US president coins and many others. I know that the coins pos a and b come about 50/50, but it's still worth studying, so Dato's findings are interesting



I do collect coins with rim inscriptions, but I use another way of identifying the position, since not all coins have portraits... so I use the year side instead of the portrait side, but as such it's the same system! Both variants go into my collection with the mention WAY (Writing Against Year) or WFY (Writing From Year), which is clear for me

Ole

Quote: SjoelundI do collect coins with rim inscriptions, but I use another way of identifying the position, since not all coins have portraits... so I use the year side instead of the portrait side, but as such it's the same system! Both variants go into my collection with the mention WAY (Writing Against Year) or WFY (Writing From Year), which is clear for me

Unless the year is on the edge, like those presidential dollars.

Right. But they all have a portait. The KM definition works well for them.

I do not realy like coins with the year on the rim and lucky enough it is not used a lot

ole

I also consider them varieties and would like to have a mention of them in numista catalogue and a different line for both variants so that we could catalogue both variants too...

Quote: ciscoinsThe edge lettering is being minted first, and the images of obverse and reverse - later, at another machine.

Agreed, and a few years ago I bought this 10 Lari Georgia coin blank (no obverse/reverse) error ...

 so after getting edge lettering put on, it would normally drop into a container, to await the obverse/reverse stamping, thus that drop making it then random which way up that last stamping is done.    

P.S. I guess if a mint wants to ensure only one orientation of edge/obverse, then they put the coins on a conveyor belt; so that after the edge they stay that way up. Or employ people to take them manually out of the container to be fed into the last stamping correctly.  

wow !  nice blank coin ! never saw   !

Quote: "Dato Mikeladze"​There are two varieties of edge lettering in these coins:
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​1. Edge lettering readable from obverse
​2. Edge lettering readable from reverse.
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​If such varieties are interesting for someone, they could be added as information.
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​Im also working to catch one more detail: short and high lettering and small and large star between GEORGIA * საქართველო. Will report soon - just need a quantity of UNC coins to confirm my doubts, because after use stars could be seems bit larger then on UNC coins. well, - let you know...
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Hi,

I just received some Georgia coins and looked them up here. I came across this thread and would be interested in input from Dato and anyone else.

Here are my findings:

50 tetri - spaces between words and stars are the same. I have 13 coins of which 12 appear to have bold letters but 1 coin (the top one) seems to have fine letters, not sure if it is just worn (condition is F to VF, some of the others are almost new, well, they probably came from tourists who got them as change and put them into the charity donation envelope on the plane)



1 lari - I found 6 varieties, building on the information in https://en.numista.com/forum/topic34255.html and the first post of this thread.

I have 41 coins in total and 18 look older (possibly 2006 minting), 23 look newer (possibly 2012 minting or maybe newer?)

The most common edge inscription is like this ∀ I פ ɹ O Ǝ פ * ს ა ქ ა რ თ ვ ე ლ ო.

The 18 older-looking coins all have fine letters, 11 coins are type 1.

2 coins have taller writing and larger stars (type 2).

5 coins have no gap after the star in ∀ I פ ɹ O Ǝ פ *ს ა ქ ა რ თ ვ ე ლ ო (type 3).



Of the 23 newer-looking coins, 15 coins have bold letters and 8 have fine letters (type 6).

Of the bold coins 5 have a wide gap after the star in ∀ I פ ɹ O Ǝ פ *   ს ა ქ ა რ თ ვ ე ლ ო (type 4) and 10 are type 5.



(Sorry I took the photos the wrong way round and easier to flip English text than Georgian!)

Another photo of large stars / taller letters



When all the stars between GEORGIA * საქართველო are aligned, the other side is like this:



2 lari - spaces between words and stars are the same. I have 12 coins, 4 have bold letters and 8 have fine letters



Regarding the orientation of the edge inscriptions - in the above photos basically 50% were obverse facing up and 50% were reverse facing up, including for each of the 1 lari varieties, which confirms that it's essentially random. Anyway, this was already mentioned in the earlier posts.

Quote: "Sjoelund"​Do any of you have the Belgian coins
​5 francs km97.1
​5 francs km98
​5 francs km108
​etc?
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​I mention this because of the notion pos a and pos b in the SCWC! I don't know why the following definition is only used for Belgian coins, but think about all the US president coins and many others. I know that the coins pos a and b come about 50/50, but it's still worth studying, so Dato's findings are interesting 0:)
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​I do collect coins with rim inscriptions, but I use another way of identifying the position, since not all coins have portraits... so I use the year side instead of the portrait side, but as such it's the same system! Both variants go into my collection with the mention WAY (Writing Against Year) or WFY (Writing From Year), which is clear for me ;)
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​Ole
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​Hi Ole, I think with many Belgian coins the edge was struck together with obverse and reverse.
Not sure how exactly but I think some kind of collar containing the edge inscription was used in the machine. That way when the obverse and reverse were struck, the position of the edge was always the same.

I think you're right! Now I only collect the Belgian coins with pos a or b, the others are 50/50 so of no interest for me.

British coins of 1 Pound (1983 to 2016) & 2 Pounds also appear in both Positions A & B as well.

Aidan.

Quote: "BCNumismatics"​British coins of 1 Pound (1983 to 2016) & 2 Pounds also appear in both Positions A & B as well.
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​Aidan.

​Romanian coins as well, but lucky enough Numista does not play A/B for them in the year lines!

Quote: "colondee"​2 lari - spaces between words and stars are the same. I have 12 coins, 4 have bold letters and 8 have fine letters
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​Among the coins with fine lettering, there are at least 2 different fonts. Look at the shape of the letter ო for example