Grade these two coins please, Australia, and Prussia

I got these two in today, and I wanted to get a opinion on grade, as best you can tell.

As well, How can I tell if my Australia coin is a Proof, The likelihood it is, is very slim, but with the wear, I have no clue how I would tell.

Barnabus,

Do you own a scanner by any chance?

These images are so far away it is harder to make a good and informed judgement on the coins.

Quote: bam777Barnabus,

Do you own a scanner by any chance?

These images are so far away it is harder to make a good and informed judgement on the coins.

I do, but it does not work. I will work on getting a microscope within the next month. I know my pictures are terribad. I hate it too. Thanks for pointing it out, I agree too hard to grade by pictures, and the Groschen is way darker than it is for some reason. new Pictures soon!

Hard to tell on the Canberra florin, but I'd say VF, other one VF-VF+

Difficult to see properly but I would say VF and F+/-vf

EF and F+/VF

So this new dog I got just ATE my cellphone, I don't mean chewed, I mean literally Ingested over 1/3 of it. He is fine and all, he chews his electronics into very tiny little bits, and has since passed it out of his body. I did not try to recover the pieces and fix my phone, however I just went and got a new one. Well this new phone I think takes better pictures, you decide. Can you accurately grade these now with a little more confidence? Granted lighting is poor, but I think the quality improved a lot. (with better lighting all details will be very visible, I am sure) but for now please offer me your opinion. As well How could I tell if the Florin I have is proof or not, it is pretty darn rugged on surface by little tiny marks, probably from the container it was in
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Here is my best attempt at getting better lighting this late at night. IDK which set will help you better, but I like this one below.

XF+ for the prussian and VF for the Australian