1961 UK 1 shilling Mintage discrepancy

So it says non proof is 2 million+ and rare on numista

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces919.html


Ngc says it is over 39 million and not rare

http://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/great-britain-shilling-km-904-1954-1970-cuid-42685-duid-123027


Can someone clear this up for me? Thanks!

They are both wrong.

NGC have used the mintage figures for the more common English reverse.

Numista once again looks like a coin karaoke by describing a coin with a mintage of almost 3 million as "rare".

Quote: pnightingaleThey are both wrong.

NGC have used the mintage figures for the more common English reverse.

Numista once again looks like a coin karaoke by describing a coin with a mintage of almost 3 million as "rare".

So my coin looks like the pictures on either site, is mine the high mintage English one, or the numista 3million one?

I agree, Rare is pretty bold to say, I could understand if it was XX,XXX-XXX,XXX  mintage it could be called rare, but not something so new I wouldn't think especially for 3 million.

The one with the single lion is the scottish crest, the one with 3 lions is the english crest



It's the same crest the English cricket team wear on their shirts

Quote: neilithicThe one with the single lion is the scottish crest, the one with 3 lions is the english crest



It's the same crest the English cricket team wear on their shirts

OH I see, Gotcha, I have a lot of both coins, so the one I had question about was the Single lion.

Thanks much!

IDK why "Numismatic Guarantee Company" Cannot provide accurate information, I mean, they are recognized as a legit grading company.....

They charge so much too, seems like I couldn't guarantee anything they do because of loss of accuracy on their end..... Sounds like if I get anything graded it may be by Pcgs. IDK, They are expensive too. (I wouldn't get this coin graded, but I do have others I would)

Isnt the NGC catalogue an exact copy of the krause books?

They still need someone to enter the information, that's where the issues occur

 Numista has correct mintage - for about 30 years there were two versions of the UK Shilling ...


 so as third image (from my catalogue) shows, the mintage of nearly 3 million is in itself not rare, but that Scottish version is rare - in comparison to nearly 40 million for the English version in same 1961 year.  

Quote: ZacUKNumista has correct mintage - for about 30 years there were two versions of the UK Shilling ...


 so as third image (from my catalogue) shows, the mintage of nearly 3 million is in itself not rare, but that Scottish version is rare - in comparison to nearly 40 million for the English version in same 1961 year.  

I notice on the 1966S version there is a wrong alignment type, this I didn't know about (must check all my 1966S shillings now). Also Zac could you tell me which book that is you're using please.

Quote: tony_k_1965I notice on the 1966S version there is a wrong alignment type, this I didn't know about (must check all my 1966S shillings now). Also Zac could you tell me which book that it is you're using please.

                                        
 I have two books for UK coins, by Rotographic - the shillings are from the pre-decimal 'Collectors' Coins GB' 36th annual edition 2009. The decimal coins are in 'Check Your Change' 2008.  
 Both written by Chris Henry Perkins, and the company runs the forum predecimal.com

 As you see, when I get a book like the 2009 one, I highlight the more valuable ones, so I know to look out for them. Here are some (I exclude many Victorian varieties, and 1937) from that book ...
  Farthings
1915 BRITT [no gap] as normal coin is BRIT T with gap
  Half Pennies
1902 Low Tide
1925 Modified Effigy (to stop 'ghosting')
1957 Calm Sea
1958 thicker rim, shorter teeth
1965 mule - New Zealand reverse
1967 wide rim
  Pennies
1902 Low Tide
1903 open 3 [bottom serif points at the '0']
1909 '1' is directly above tooth
1912H and 1918H 1918KN 1919H 1919KN
1920 colon after IMP points at a tooth. Extremely rare
1922 centre trident prong well below tooth
1926 Modified Effigy
1933 of course
1940 double exergue line
1944 unconfirmed sightings with waves reaching slightly into exergue
1945 doubled 9
1950 1951 1953 scarce
1952 and 1954 excessively rare
1955 to 1960 none minted
 
 and so on, for other denominations ...
P.S. Somewhere I heard about a very rare 1947 Shilling that was made in silver. All silver UK coins are well-known as "pre-'47" but a handful of the English version were made of silver in early 1947, apparently.

Quote: ZacUKP.S. Somewhere I heard about a very rare 1947 Shilling that was made in silver. All silver UK coins are well-known as "pre-'47" but a handful of the English version were made of silver in early 1947, apparently.

Yes I remember reading this myself, I think it was on predecimal.co.uk.
P.S. thanks for the info on the books, I will look out for them. Cheers

Quote: ZacUK
 I have two books for UK coins, by Rotographic - the shillings are from the pre-decimal 'Collectors' Coins GB' 36th annual edition 2009. The decimal coins are in 'Check Your Change' 2008.  
 Both written by Chris Henry Perkins, and the company runs the forum predecimal.com

Just bought the 2014 version of the 2009 for £6.95 + free post

 That's a bargain - in 2009 I went into WH Smith and bought mine for the cover price that says: Six Guineas (£6.30 decimal) on the back page, so hardly any price increase in five years.

Quote: ZacUKThat's a bargain - in 2009 I went into WH Smith and bought mine for the cover price that says: Six Guineas (£6.30 decimal) on the back page, so hardly any price increase in five years.

I must admit that's why I bought it straight away as I normally pay £9.99 for the coin yearbook published by coin news every year.

Quote: tony_k_1965

Quote: ZacUK
 I have two books for UK coins, by Rotographic - the shillings are from the pre-decimal 'Collectors' Coins GB' 36th annual edition 2009. The decimal coins are in 'Check Your Change' 2008.  
 Both written by Chris Henry Perkins, and the company runs the forum predecimal.com

Just bought the 2014 version of the 2009 for £6.95 + free post

Hi Tony could I ask you where you got this book please?

Quote: marc scott clarke

Quote: tony_k_1965

Quote: ZacUK
 I have two books for UK coins, by Rotographic - the shillings are from the pre-decimal 'Collectors' Coins GB' 36th annual edition 2009. The decimal coins are in 'Check Your Change' 2008.  
 Both written by Chris Henry Perkins, and the company runs the forum predecimal.com

Just bought the 2014 version of the 2009 for £6.95 + free post

Hi Tony could I ask you where you got this book please?

Here's the link

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brand-New-Collectors-Coins-GB-2014-book-price-guide-/141147763357?pt=UK_Coins_Supplies_RL&hash=item20dd0ff29d