Some kind of liard - Spanish Netherlands ?

Hi !
Can you identify this one please ? I can't find it in Numista catalog...

25mm diameter - 2,2g
This one is close, but not the same : https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8591.html

Thanks !!

Anybody ?

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces24857.html

This one perhaps?

No, it's not that one.
Lettering I can read is  DOM TO*****AUST around the shields
+ weight is a lot less...

http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/world-coin-prices.aspx?category=112936&worldcoinid=291218

SPANISH NETHERLANDS TOURNAI  Liard,  12 Mites  KM# 21  1610-1611

Obverse: Crowned shield of Albert and Elizabeth

Reverse: Crown and shields of Austria, Burgundy, and Brabant

Reverse Legend: …BVRG DOM TOR   (the … means other lettering present)


EDIT: I have seen a different coin which the complete lettering reads something like ...

                             ARCHID · AVST · DVCES · BVRG · DOM · TOR
   which is abbreviation for: ARCHIDUCES AUSTRIAE DUCES BURGUNDIAE DOMINUS TORNESIS
          French translation: Archiducs d'Autriche, ducs de Bourgogne et seigneurs de Tournai

but it had a different reverse (with a cross, not a crowned shield). It was a 1/4 Patagon coin.  

Thank you, ZacUK
The legend seems to match, too bad NGC doesn't provide a picture.
I know an Albert and Elisabeth specialist, I'll ask him for pics, and maybe create Numista page.

Tony

  I amended the lettering above since your reply, and one result (a 1 Patagon) is already on here - and shows similar to that coin I mentioned with a cross on the other side ...

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40818.html

 so is still not yours, but it is closer ...  

Quote: ZacUKI amended the lettering above since your reply, and one result (a 1 Patagon) is already on here - and shows similar to that coin I mentioned with a cross on the other side ...

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40818.html

 so is still not yours, but it is closer ...  

On my coin I can identify the word "DUCES", not "DUX", so A&E is probably more likely ?

Quote: tony.cOn my coin I can identify the word "DUCES", not "DUX", so A&E is probably more likely ?

Agreed, so Duces means two rulers - and I copy my amended earlier reply, now with translations ...

                                    ARCHID · AVST · DVCES · BVRG · DOM · TOR
   which is abbreviation for:  ARCHIDUCES AUSTRIAE DUCES BURGUNDIAE DOMINUS TORNESIS
            French translation:  Archiducs d'Autriche, ducs de Bourgogne et seigneurs de Tournai

Quote: ZacUK

Quote: tony.cOn my coin I can identify the word "DUCES", not "DUX", so A&E is probably more likely ?

Agreed, so Duces means two rulers - and I copy my amended earlier reply, now with translations ...

                                    ARCHID · AVST · DVCES · BVRG · DOM · TOR
   which is abbreviation for:  ARCHIDUCES AUSTRIAE DUCES BURGUNDIAE DOMINUS TORNESIS
            French translation:  Archiducs d'Autriche, ducs de Bourgogne et seigneurs de Tournai

It will probably be "DOMINI TORNESIS" as they were 2     (used to study latin in a previous life)

Thank you, I'll go check my catalog for tournai coins

  Agreed also - I did Latin at school.
 On the other side of the coin, around the shield, on the right, I can see ERT so may be ...

                                ALBERTVS. ET. ELISABET. D:G.
                          (ALBERTUS ET ELISABETH DEI GRATIA)

which I read somewhere is a legend around some coins.  

 Found it - this page (in Dutch) has a lot on it, and yours is number 10, 3/4 down the page ...

http://www.duiten.nl/doornik.html

                     

 It is indeed a Liard, and made only in 1610 or 1611 (date divided by shield).

Spanish Netherlands
Tournai
KM# 21
Liard  (12 Mites)
1610-1611
Copper
Obv: Crowned shield of Albert and Elizabeth
Rev: Crown and shields of Austria, Burgundy, and Brabant

http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/world-coin-prices.aspx?category=112936&worldcoinid=291217

You're good !!!!
I've used that site before, but forgot about it  
Didn't know you read Dutch  
I think my search was a bit off because I read BRA(B) instead of GRA...

Another mystery solved.
Hope you're ready for the next one : check my next topic...  

Grtz !