Perth Mint Australian Coins. The Royal Australian Mint Coins are ok, but the ones that emanate from Perth are just wrong. Wrong size, wrong metal, stupid designs, stupid commemoratives.
Coming second/third is Thailand and Malaysia .. so many of them in bulk lots.
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Nothing against our nice Swiss friends, but for someone who collects basically only one or two countries (Canada, especially colonial, and Rome), I find Swiss coins to be some of the most boring: the same type since 1879 (or even 1850), with an allegory of Liberty on one side, of little or no historical value, and the value in a wreath on the other. But perhaps "boring" is actually a good indication of political and social stability?
Quote: "Sakrificed"For the first topic - country that noone one want fron your swap list : I would say Federal Republic of Germany.
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Why the topic become that country with boring designs? Anyway, I will say my opinion.
Thailand. Post 1989 coins are boring. I don't think they show the uniqueness of Thais.
Coins of Thailand with nice designs last until 1981.
Japan - The latest series of 50 and 100 Yen are very dull design, while almost of pre 1945 designs are really great.
Taiwan - Most of them are dull designs.
South Korea - boring designs also.
Sweden has dull designs too. The new series is better, and more colourful though.
Quote: "Sakrificed"For the first topic - country that noone one want fron your swap list : I would say Federal Republic of Germany.
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Why the topic become that country with boring designs? Anyway, I will say my opinion.
Thailand. Post 1989 coins are boring. I don't think they show the uniqueness of Thais.
Coins of Thailand with nice designs last until 1981.
Japan - The latest series of 50 and 100 Yen are very dull design, while almost of pre 1945 designs are really great.
Taiwan - Most of them are dull designs.
South Korea - boring designs also.
Sweden has dull designs too. The new series is better, and more colourful though.
Spanish pestetas - yuck
Euro -
What say you?????? Spanish pesetas are ok with designs.
But you're some true, because I don't quite like the Francisco Franco coins.
Quote: "Sakrificed"For the first topic - country that noone one want fron your swap list : I would say Federal Republic of Germany.
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Why the topic become that country with boring designs? Anyway, I will say my opinion.
Thailand. Post 1989 coins are boring. I don't think they show the uniqueness of Thais.
Coins of Thailand with nice designs last until 1981.
Japan - The latest series of 50 and 100 Yen are very dull design, while almost of pre 1945 designs are really great.
Taiwan - Most of them are dull designs.
South Korea - boring designs also.
Sweden has dull designs too. The new series is better, and more colourful though.
Spanish pestetas - yuck
Euro -
Unfortunately, I do like the design of those Europe countries.
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Have ever considered Switzerland?
It is the less exciting country for what concerns coins, very few designs, not very interesting and original ones, and are the same by more or less one century; moreover very few commemoratives.
Quote: "GiannaReggio"Have ever considered Switzerland?
It is the less exciting country for what concerns coins, very few designs, not very interesting and original ones, and are the same by more or less one century; moreover very few commemoratives.
Yugoslavia - it's everywhere on flee markets
Russia - it's eagle is annoying
USSR- it's everywhere on flee markets
Belgium - relates to Euro coins
Israel - boring
For me, I deleted this entire post as its just so hateful, negative and borderline racist, so away it goes, greatly reduced.
Some types I don't like
1. Australia and NZ NCLT - anything based around sports (Particularly Thugby), Lord of the Rings or any other spinoff, any American Movie filmed here that has NOTHING to do with NZ beyond being a set.
2. Base metal obselete coins from pre Euro era Europe.
3. Base metal obselete coins from communist era Europe (1946 - 1990)
4. Most modern Latin American coins
5. Indian coins after 1947
6. French Omnibus style coins for Africa
7. Overpriced bullion coins
8. Any NCLT based around sports, American Pop Culture like Mickey Mouse and Elvis
9. NFT, Bitcoin actual coin medals not worth anything, Bullion that shows memes etc.
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Well, I think that communist countries have bland designs, with most being a date,
Star, Wheat stelm, and Denomination.
I wont include them in the list ecause all of them are my least favourite.
For me, It's Italy #1 with their bland alluminum coins.
#2 is Slovakia, with their designs that occupy only half of the coin.
It's just too much empty space.
As someone totally new to the collecting of coins, I know going through my dad's collection, that he had a fondness of Russian and German coins. But for me, it's more of a type, the ones with intentional holes (Japanese mon, sen and yen are particular faves!) or the ones that use both gold and silver tone metals (Belgium, Egypt etc)... I'm also partial to the ones that aren't the basic circle! I do rather wish however that I could meet the artists behind the design to some of these, or be in the room with those charged with the decision on what was going to be on the coins, because some are oh so boring (US and some of those German ones are included) because some I just roll my eyes when I see them again and again... definitely love the topic!
Post-Juliana era Dutch coins just don't look good compared to their predecessors. Probably due to the effort to modernize the design, the minimalistic approach to the coins just makes them lost their regal look.
2. Belgium
As others have said, the designs are just boring sometimes.
3. Modern middle east (2000-onwards)
Again, boring design. UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Israel are so great at making designs for circulating currency that are quite hard to enjoy.
Indian coins after 1957 as well, all cheap and worthless.
I mean can you buy anything with a coin in India, I mean its like 100 rupees to a dollar and their biggest coin is 10 rupees. Plus every buy in of cheap coins brings in worthless paisa coins from India. I mean what use is an aluminium 3 or 5 paisa coin from 1969?
Same with Bangladesh - all the cheap aluminium poishka coins and Pakistanian coins - all cheap aluminium or steel rubbish. At least Indonesia's coins have some nice designs.
Also the Filipino 1968 - 1980s series, you know the olive coloured brass aluminium stuff that said Isang sentimo or Dalawampung sentimo and it showed some guy with a moutsache on it.
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For once I entirely agree, who wants to pay $149 plus $10 postage and handling for a one ounce or less of silver in a coin with a FV of $5 and metal value of maybe $29?
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I am going to take a different stance on the “most unpopular” country, if I may.
Mine would be any country I do not actually have a coin from, therefore making it unpopular in my collection.
I only really collect from around 1900, so many countries/issuers would not satisfy my “need”, but having had a quick look this morning, Anguilla is the first country, as per alphabetical order, I do not have. I realise their issues are silver, gold and platinum, and I expect with very low mintages, but it is therefore classed as unpopular, or rather “non existant” as far as my collection is concerned.
I hope I have not deviated too much from original question, to which my reply would be none, as collecting coins from everywhere is a great pastime and hobby.
I'm shocked to see so many people disliking Yugoslav coins so much as they are some of my favorite ones to collect, but to be honest that also has to do with the fair bit of Yugo-nostalgia that I have. :)
As for least liked coins, I think it'd be Belgium both because the horrendous design (looking at you 5 franc from 1986-1993 among others) and because it can get annoying to have to collect exact same design coins but with different language as a type collector (however south Africa is the most “annoying” in that category with Croatia following suit)
I'm shocked to see so many people disliking Yugoslav coins so much as they are some of my favorite ones to collect, but to be honest that also has to do with the fair bit of Yugo-nostalgia that I have. :)
As for least liked coins, I think it'd be Belgium both because the horrendous design (looking at you 5 franc from 1986-1993 among others) and because it can get annoying to have to collect exact same design coins but with different language as a type collector (however south Africa is the most “annoying” in that category with Croatia following suit)
I'm not a big fan of coins but I have seen some amazing Yugoslav coins too. I'm sure some of the designs suffered when the nation went through periods of hyperinflation.
I also like the early silver coins from Mexico (can't be beat IMO) before hyperinflation in the mid-eighties/early 90's
I really like many of the Euro designs & while visiting I picked up a couple of my favourites (2 Euro from Spain; 2.5 Euro from Portugal & 5 Euro from Austria):
But my all time favourite is definitely from Finland (bi-metallic) 5 Euro:
which in my mind, beats any RCM coin by a hat trick!
My own country has pretty lousy coins: USA. But for foreign? It's kind of hard for me. I would say… South Africa. Their coins are pretty uninteresting to me. But also Brazil, and I don't like a number of different Mexican coins, (some Mexican coins I like, but not really alot.) That is all I can think of really for now.
I think many people are down on Yugoslavia because the coins of that country are nearly all worthless. It ticks the box for at least 3 main reasons, people are put off by them.
1. History - Yugoslavia started only in 1918/20 - most European countries have roots going back to the middle ages or further. And it grew out of WW1, a time when Silver coinage stopped. Politics may bleed into it as it covered an area now that has 7 different countries, ethnically, politically and most importantly religiously. You have 3 very diverse religions not known for their love of each other - Islam, Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism and add in groups of Jews, Protestants and even Buddists!
I actually don't mind this one - I mean its in 4 languages for a start.
2. Inflation - Yugoslavia had inflation in the 20s, 40s and much more seriously in the 90s meaning most of their coins were issued in values, which now are worthless. Old coins of say the UK and America, still have meaningful face value, a 10 Dinara from 1955 does not. You know these base metal coins will just never be worth anything.
Effects of inflation In high grade, they are decent coins
3. Metals - virtually all the circulating coinage of it - was in cheap muck metals like brass, steel, cupro nickel etc and there was hardly any silver or gold coins. I am not an expert but assume a handful of billon and silver coins came out in the 20s and 30s and no doubt some NCLT in the 70s, 80s and 90s (But it all may have been muck metals too as communist frowned on Bourgeois metals like silver). There are also hardly any rare dates and most years were minted in the kabillons - even if there was rare errors and years with only 2000 minted, there would be little interest in say if a silver coin of some empire from 1835 had a small number minted.
But that is reasons to hate many countries coins. Maybe its memories of Tito and Srebenica that also put people off these coins? I have a few Yugoslavian coins, and don't really care for them, but some I like much less like India, Colombia etc.
To me the ugliest coins are anything with stains on them, like black blotches that can't be removed and any old copper/bronze with advance verdigris. Same with mutilated and damaged coins.
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It's interesting the next post after mine focused only on Yugoslavia; that is by far what I have the most of. Not so much my favorite coins,(anymore) but it was my favorite former country of the world for a number of years. I still collect them though. Even the really boring ones; the dark brown (alumnium bronze I think?) from the fifties. The para coins are usually uninteresting too. 🙁
Amen! Add Netherlands and Luxembourg (and 1 & 2 € from Spain) to that. Why we need monarchs on euro coins is beyond me.
Monarchs represent the countries where they are the heads of state.
In Belgium's case, King Philippe is the one thing that unites Belgians as a people.
Aidan.
Well yes, though being a European currency one could expect them to reflect common (EU) values, like democracy. Sure parliamentary monarchie kinda satisfies that, but still.
Also true that the Belgian king has a unifying role, but I would still contest that he doesn't need to be on the euro coins to fulfil that role 😉 France doesn't have Macron or Germany Steinmeier on their coins though they are also heads of state …
I think there is definitely a bias against Third World Nations, especially their currencies since independence.
Possibly due to their short and mostly unstable histories (Africa, Latin America and the Muslim world seem to have a new coup, revolution, genocide, famine, military takeover, disease outbreak etc every few months in the news).
Plus 90% of the time, their coins are made overseas and always of el cheapo metals and designs.
Still these are hardly valid reasons to despise them.
The second bias is modern coinage - many 1st world nations have had their post 1960s base metal coinage criticised for being plain, worthless or just too much of it in the case of overpriced NCLT issues.
That sums up numismatics - mostly interest in obselete, precious metal coins from Europe and America (Or their empires).
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In terms of coins I hate finding when I buy bulk coins, based purely on their value or potential interest to other people my most unpopular country would be India. They're always worn and have very simple designs and made of steel. Nobody I know wants them, and I certainly don't like getting them in my bulk coins either.
In terms of coins I hate finding when I buy bulk coins, based purely on their value or potential interest to other people my most unpopular country would be India. They're always worn and have very simple designs and made of steel. Nobody I know wants them, and I certainly don't like getting them in my bulk coins either.
Many countries fall into that trap. I would say Brazil is another unpopular country - so many currency reforms and worthless currencies made out of steel. Same with Argentina, Colombia, Venezuela etc - all these Hispanic countries littered with worthless pesos and pesetas etc.
I would also say pre Euro European coinage issued after 1945, but especially from the 70s, 80s and 90s - not just worthless but minted in the obsquatillions. Those French 1 Francs and Spannish 5 Pesetas will never be worth anything along with the steel 100 and 50 liar Italian coins.
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why should I know, which countries are more or less popular (concerning to collect coins from them)?
My statement in this topic is: I don't like the countries with countless, more than 100, non-circulating coins a year. These are Australia, Canada, Russia, perhaps France and UK. I buy some of them nevertheless, if the motive is good and if the price is in relation to bullion value.
Then I have to answer to all, who discussed Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia is a good country, it doesn't produce more and more coins. I like the worthless coins from Yugoslavia.
Euro coins, Exonumia's non official countries/regions issues (e.g. Easter Island😦), Countries which issue non circulating commemorative coins all the time 😞
With reference to Yugoslavia, in my case, former yugoslavian's coin are very interesting to me due to this country started out as a monarchy and later became a communist regime which at one point was at odds with the USSR over the vision of communism.
To think that it was a country with multiple ethnic groups, languages and religions that could have been a "mini European Union" and that all these peoples lived together for several decades but ended up defragmented in the worst way. How can it not be interesting to collect? (at least by type)
Every euro-coin, especially German 1 and 2 euros. The same globalized rubbish. I mourn every liquidated
national currency, especially the Italian lira, the French franc, the Greek drachma, the Maltese lira, the Portuguese escudo etc.
I don’t like the wannabe euro designs of contemporary Bulgaria (especially reverse).
The reverse of the current Hungarian circulation-coins… boring and undemanding. The 200 forint-coin looks like a token from a hypermarket chain.
The post-1980 Dutch coins were plain and bleak. Nevertheless, I now look at them with nostalgia in the numismatic desert of the eurozone.
And the UGLIEST ever:
The current (2005-) Romanian circulation coins: poor metal, unpractical size and denomination, too big letters, too small coat-of arms and ugly NATO-like stars in obverse, the reverse maybe designed by a preschooler… “Just do something, before we entering eurozone…” Pure rubbish.
Reading above that post, i can't help thinking that member being Hungarian dislikes Romania for more than its coins.
I hope people can not temper their answers over their personal disdain for a particular country.
I mean I love New Zealand, but our current coins are mediocre to meh! at best (C-), I can't stand Angola or Mozambique, but love their coins. I am not a fan of the USA much, but their coins are just amazing.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
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Reading above that post, i can't help thinking that member being Hungarian dislikes Romania for more than its coins.
I hope people can not temper their answers over their personal disdain for a particular country.
I mean I love New Zealand, but our current coins are mediocre to meh! at best (C-), I can't stand Angola or Mozambique, but love their coins. I am not a fan of the USA much, but their coins are just amazing.
I love your response. It would seem that this thread is almost 100% nation bashing. The point of coin collecting is coin collecting not avoiding coins because you hate a certain country or what they choose to put on their coins or what they are made out of. Circulation coins are made for the purpose of circulation not for arm chair critics to decide that a countries coins don’t meet their standards. Educate yourselves and learn the stories behind these coins that you hate so much or are you afraid of history?
I talked only about coin designs and not about politics. As a Hungarian I don’t hate any other people, including Romanians (I see in comments, how widespread the prejudice about hating-each-other-East-Europeans. Not everybody, my friends.). Their pre-2005 coins were much better, and personally, I like even the generally unpopular 1952-82 „socialist realist” coinage. But honestly, without any nationalist sentiment, I don’t know uglier circulation coins, than today’s 1, 5, 10 and 50 bani. The contemporary banis are not only ugly, but mostly useless (the 1 ban coin was never used generally due the low value, and today even 5 and 10 bani denominations are mostly ignored or thrown away). In 2013, when I last visited Romania the 50 bani coin was important only to operate supermarket shopping-carts, and after that the Roma beggar-kids are expecting to get them. The lack of adequate coinage (the low value 1, 5 and 10 lei denominations are plastic notes) made the absence of coin-operated vending machines in Romania that time (probably today the situation is the same).
It’s true, that outside Europe even uglier pieces have something „exotism”, which the usual, often-seen coins lacking. The special sympathy towards some countries adds more to this (for example, I love Latin American countries and collect even their less beautiful coins with joy). I met the opposite too. Once in Azerbaijan, a local collector said to me: He collects coins from every country, except Armenia, which he hates with passion. This attitude is deeply antipathic for me.
3. A lot of Spanish coins are dull, but there are cases in which they are not.
I have to disagree that Mexican and Yugoslavian coins are boring. And Tane, I think you're being a little harsh on our coins, bro. I quite like them. To sum this up, TO EACH HIS OWN!
pnightingaleWhich country's coins do you find least desirable? You know the feeling when you spot what looks like a nice old coin in a pile of junk, but when you look closer your heart sinks as you realize it's a coin from ___________ .
I have dozens and dozens of coins from Costa Rica including vintage dates and larger, crown sized denominations. I've kept a few really nice ones and the rest I put in my swap list. And there they remain. I think I've swapped coins from all over the world but never one from Costa Rica.
So that's my vote: Costa Rica
Yugoslavia would rank as close second. They already get stick over their cars so I spared them.
Let's take a poll. Regular circulation coinages only , no silly commemorative gold-plated non-circulating issues, otherwise it would just become a contest between Liberia and Canada.
The winner gets to swap my Costa Rica and Yugoslavian coins for 19th Century British copper.
Costa Rica? I never see any. For me it is german states.
For current circulations, I've never been fond of the Euro, neither coin nor banknote. I couldn't say exactly why (Certainly not a political issue for me; I can detach the currency from the issuer, and I generally have a neutral-positive approval of the EU).
The circulation, especially the normal standard stuff, just doesn't seem to have any impact factor. It's just so… nothing?
And the banknotes are just so bland. There's nothing to them & I don't believe they've changed in any meaningful way since inception.
I can't quite put my finger on it, but they just feel like they were designed by someone with just pure functionality as the core function. There's no national (or multi-national in this case) pride. It's almost like play money in design.
Some of the commemorative designs can be quite appealing, I will give them that.
For current circulations, I've never been fond of the Euro, neither coin nor banknote. I couldn't say exactly why (Certainly not a political issue for me; I can detach the currency from the issuer, and I generally have a neutral-positive approval of the EU).
The circulation, especially the normal standard stuff, just doesn't seem to have any impact factor. It's just so… nothing?
And the banknotes are just so bland. There's nothing to them & I don't believe they've changed in any meaningful way since inception.
I can't quite put my finger on it, but they just feel like they were designed by someone with just pure functionality as the core function. There's no national (or multi-national in this case) pride. It's almost like play money in design.
Some of the commemorative designs can be quite appealing, I will give them that.
I totally agree here, with some additional insight and information;
- the whole point of the Eurozone is to promote peace and stability, while at the same time promoting democracy and attempting to reduce corruption (things that often are neglected behind the chest thumping of nationalism) and ultimately stop future conflicts between European nations - to that end it was decided that national emblems would only appear on the coins on the reverse of the European map.
- the national design must follow specific criteria laid out by the EU, as with the €2 commemorative coins minted by each country.
- each country is only allowed a certain number of commemorative coins per year, and the mintage is restricted for each country presumably depending on population.
- the notes would contain no national images, and the images on the notes are not real places or structures. Just make-believe images with reference to European culture and history. They are literally made up places!
- the notes are coloured distinctively differently depending on denomination with bright luminous colours based on the last set of Dutch gilder notes, which if memory serves me correctly came out in the 80s and were a revolution away from the traditional dull similar colours of previous bank notes.
So yes Euro coins and notes are dull, deliberately so, to stop one country or another pushing their own agenda outside of the European Parliament or from antagonising a neighbouring country in one way or another.
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I agree too, the Euro coinage apart from individual country commems (Mostly €2 and higher FV local coins in other metals) are bland and unisnpired. They have ZERO personality and have little to say what country they are from beyond a generic symbol, monarch, emblem etc.
Also they were designed in the 1990s and we have had zero design updates apart from the map upgrade in 2007. Does the European Union not fact in for design and taste changes. And they are muck metal. Its global type 1984 imperialism.
I don't generally collect any Euro coins, beyond having a few for change purposes, a couple of sets like Malta, Eire and Netherlands and some €2 Commems from the Baltic States someone sent me.
The collectable ones are the extra values issued as commems by individual countries such as the German €5 and 10 Polymer ring Climate series which I have and some of their €10 coins.
Not the worst though, they are still streets ahead of all the cheap aluminium garbage and stainless steel disks from the 3rd world and inflation coins from Latino nations. Plus post 1960 Indian coinage is beyond awful, even the silver coins.
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brismikePerth Mint Australian Coins. The Royal Australian Mint Coins are ok, but the ones that emanate from Perth are just wrong. Wrong size, wrong metal, stupid designs, stupid commemoratives.
Mike
This from the same man who LAMBASTS me and gets all bent out of shape whenever I criticised the amount of bubblegum coins Australia puts out. Perth Mint I agree is a new level of turning precious gold and silver coins into the numismatic equivalent of aluminium 1 Paisa or 1 Novokhi Leva coins. Common as dirt and 3rd class designs on 1st class materials.
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I say Venesuala is the worst, decades and decades of the same boring guy.
Totally, every Hispanic and Latino country showing some sideburned, high collared guy from like 1820 on their coins.
Venezuela - Simon Bolivar
Ecuador - Jose Antonio de la Sucre
Chile - Bernardo O'Higgins
Colombia - Bolivar and some other sideburned Spannish generales
Argentina - Jose San Martin and Bernardo de la Rivadiva I think (I don't speak Spanish)
Uruguay - Artigas (Not sure of first name)
Panama - Vasco Nunes de la Balboa
Every other Hispanic country - other dudes being either 16th century invader or early 19th century sideburned general with a high collar.
Most of these guys were bloodthirsty generals or conquistadors and entirely colonialists. Mexico I give a pass as they often show Juarez (A native Mexican), Hidalgo (A priest) and various women. Also any Indigenous person gets a pass such as Urraca on panamian coins, unnamed Mayan Indian on Guatemalan coins and same with harmless people. Panama gets slammed for showing some horrid exploiters like Carlos Finlay (Obviously an Anglo with a Spannished up name).
Examples
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I say Venesuala is the worst, decades and decades of the same boring guy.
Totally, every Hispanic and Latino country showing some sideburned, high collared guy from like 1820 on their coins.
Venezuela - Simon Bolivar
Ecuador - Jose Antonio de la Sucre
Chile - Bernardo O'Higgins
Colombia - Bolivar and some other sideburned Spannish generales
Argentina - Jose San Martin and Bernardo de la Rivadiva I think (I don't speak Spanish)
Uruguay - Artigas (Not sure of first name)
Panama - Vasco Nunes de la Balboa
Every other Hispanic country - other dudes being either 16th century invader or early 19th century sideburned general with a high collar.
Most of these guys were bloodthirsty generals or conquistadors and entirely colonialists. Mexico I give a pass as they often show Juarez (A native Mexican), Hidalgo (A priest) and various women. Also any Indigenous person gets a pass such as Urraca on panamian coins, unnamed Mayan Indian on Guatemalan coins and same with harmless people. Panama gets slammed for showing some horrid exploiters like Carlos Finlay (Obviously an Anglo with a Spannished up name).
Examples
They are not colonialists, It's quite the opposite, they were South American' liberators who fought for the independence from spanish rule
They are not colonialists, It's quite the opposite, they were South American' liberators who fought for the independence from spanish rule
They were for Indigenous Amerindians, mesticos, mulattoes and black slaves in their country. These generales only cared about the rich Spanish descended croillos (White creoles) who owned massive haciendas and stuff and did not want to pay money to Spanish coffers.
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I know the EU has a “neutral” approach to things, especially in regards to the “National” sides. But couldn't they have had updates.
So far as I'm aware, the map side has basically never changed (I know they updated from original EU states to Europe the continent fairly early on), and the bridge series notes had a slight change with the Europa watermark. But they're so very similar still.
Could they not imagine some new stuff? It's the largest trade organisation going - why not update the notes to show some fictionalised industry. Here's some blokes out fishing, now we have the inside of a car factory, here's a postman delivering a parcel in a town.
Or why not trains? Everyone loves trains, and you could easily design some generic looking one. Here's one on a bridge, here it is coming out a tunnel, here it is delivering its multicultural-looking passengers safely at a non-descript station.
Or celebrations of the different types of nature. Here's a forest scene, here's a common multinational bird, here's a river mouth at the sea.
Or things that represent the EU values & ideals. Here's the Dove of Peace, here's some people voting in a democratic election, here's a shared science lab.
Just why bridges forever?
I think it also doesn't help that I'm in the UK where we get a lot of different notes; official Bank of England notes which update periodically, but also the six issuing banks in Scotland & Northern Ireland. Between them, there's nearly always a new note to watch out for.
I know the EU has a “neutral” approach to things, especially in regards to the “National” sides. But couldn't they have had updates.
So far as I'm aware, the map side has basically never changed (I know they updated from original EU states to Europe the continent fairly early on), and the bridge series notes had a slight change with the Europa watermark. But they're so very similar still.
Could they not imagine some new stuff? It's the largest trade organisation going - why not update the notes to show some fictionalised industry. Here's some blokes out fishing, now we have the inside of a car factory, here's a postman delivering a parcel in a town.
Or why not trains? Everyone loves trains, and you could easily design some generic looking one. Here's one on a bridge, here it is coming out a tunnel, here it is delivering its multicultural-looking passengers safely at a non-descript station.
Or celebrations of the different types of nature. Here's a forest scene, here's a common multinational bird, here's a river mouth at the sea.
Or things that represent the EU values & ideals. Here's the Dove of Peace, here's some people voting in a democratic election, here's a shared science lab.
Just why bridges forever?
I think it also doesn't help that I'm in the UK where we get a lot of different notes; official Bank of England notes which update periodically, but also the six issuing banks in Scotland & Northern Ireland. Between them, there's nearly always a new note to watch out for.
All good ideas, maybe you should contact the ecb as they are the ones who make the policy etc - which you can also read about on their website if you are interested.
I am personally not interested that much in bank notes, so I am happy with the simplicity for use, practically they are very easy to identify and use and a sign of how stable the Euro currency has become in the short time it has been used is the fact that the highest denomination note has or will be withdrawn from circulation.
From a collectors point of view on the coins, I wish the €2 coins were just a bit bigger and I wish that when the commemorative ones are minted they would change the minting quantity and withhold the numbers for a few years - thus providing stimulation in the numismatic community and stopping coin dealers hoarding roles of certain coins. Maybe I should contact ecb also 😂
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They are not colonialists, It's quite the opposite, they were South American' liberators who fought for the independence from spanish rule
They were for Indigenous Amerindians, mesticos, mulattoes and black slaves in their country. These generales only cared about the rich Spanish descended croillos (White creoles) who owned massive haciendas and stuff and did not want to pay money to Spanish coffers.
Just out of curiosity, what book or source did you read that information from?
As with any independence process, there were obviously people in favor and against independence; even with the engravers of the first national coins, this division occurred. It would be much easier to understand the history, but reality cannot be put all in the same bag.
Although during the time of the Latin American revolutions there were important landowners who sought independence, there were also other very rich "royalist (Monarquicos)" Creole landowners who did not want independence.
But where there was precisely an immense majority of approval in obtaining independence was precisely from the middle class Creoles "Criollos", indigenous amerindians, mesticos, mulattoes and black slaves people who joined these incipient "patriotic (Patriotas)" armies to obtain independence.
There is a very interesting anecdote that was even later captured in a stanza of a military march about a Sergeant named Cabral (son of slaves) who died using his body as a shield to cover then Colonel Don José de San Martín from certain death when he fell from his horse.
The name of the military march is called San Lorenzo, I copy the link where the lyrics are translated into English if you are interested in reading it or you can also listen to it on YouTube:
I know the EU has a “neutral” approach to things, especially in regards to the “National” sides. But couldn't they have had updates.
So far as I'm aware, the map side has basically never changed (I know they updated from original EU states to Europe the continent fairly early on), and the bridge series notes had a slight change with the Europa watermark. But they're so very similar still.
Could they not imagine some new stuff? It's the largest trade organisation going - why not update the notes to show some fictionalised industry. Here's some blokes out fishing, now we have the inside of a car factory, here's a postman delivering a parcel in a town.
Or why not trains? Everyone loves trains, and you could easily design some generic looking one. Here's one on a bridge, here it is coming out a tunnel, here it is delivering its multicultural-looking passengers safely at a non-descript station.
Or celebrations of the different types of nature. Here's a forest scene, here's a common multinational bird, here's a river mouth at the sea.
Or things that represent the EU values & ideals. Here's the Dove of Peace, here's some people voting in a democratic election, here's a shared science lab.
Just why bridges forever?
I think it also doesn't help that I'm in the UK where we get a lot of different notes; official Bank of England notes which update periodically, but also the six issuing banks in Scotland & Northern Ireland. Between them, there's nearly always a new note to watch out for.
Regarding the boring designs of the euro, I think the desirability of a certain country among collectors is often contrary to the stability of its currency or to the "unity" of its monetary system. Some inflational currencies have many different types you can collect (like Brazilian banknotes before 1994), while the euro, German Mark or Swiss franc aimed at stable (boring) designs. The similar situation is when several different series of coins/banknotes circulate at the same time: what is interesting for collectors is seem as only an unwelcome transitional period by a central bank.
As a side note, those eurozone states which are monarchies often changed the design of their coins, same as the Republic of San Marino (which is of course technically not part of the eurozone) and France with its new series. Also, I would argue that Austrian, Italian or Slovenian euro coins tell us quite a lot about the respective country's culture and monuments, going beyond some generic symbols.
Iran - at least the 50s-70s coins are very boring and very alike.
Saudi Arabia - like Iran, boring designs and identical designs. Hard to tell the difference between different types for some coins.
Yugoslavia - 1950s and onwards coins are very uninteresting; just a face value on one side and a coat of arms on the other side
Costa Rica - most of their modern coins from the 1960s to the present day are identical in design (similar to the later Yugoslavian coins); they are only different when it comes to their composition.
Romania - like everyone else has said on this thread, very uninspiring designs
France - I do like the older coins before 1959. The French coins I do not like are the more modern centime and franc coins, as I get many of them in coin lots, and are hard to swap, and pretty much all dates are easy to find!
Venezuela - simply boring designs that have been the same for the past 70 years.
Egypt: Some of the older coins from the 80s and earlier are identical to each other, which can be hard to decipher different coin types. I do like the modern coins from the 2000s to today. And also in those older years there are some nice distinct Egyptian designs on those coins.
Agree, a good list - Venezuela I agree, they really love Simon Bolivar!
Same with Turkey, Ataturk is the God over there.
Taiwan has a massive crush on Chiang Kai Shek.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
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That is likely because Chiang Kai-shek proclaimed the R.O.C. after the Chinese Commies took over the mainland, and the Taiwanese really honor him on their coins.
I do agree that most of their standard issues are rather bland, and most of the coins I find are from 1981 - an extremely common date for modern Taiwanese coins!
Taiwanese coins are kinda similar to Venezuelan coins in that they have a portrait of a national hero on one side and a denomination on the other side. I do however like the Taiwanese commemoratives, and the newer 50 New Dollar coins, especially the bi-metal 50 Dollar piece.
Agree, the $10, $20 and $50 coins with the latent features are very special.
I may even be wrong with 100% Chiang coins, that may be Sun Yat sen on the $50.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
Iran - at least the 50s-70s coins are very boring and very alike.
Saudi Arabia - like Iran, boring designs and identical designs. Hard to tell the difference between different types for some coins.
Yugoslavia - 1950s and onwards coins are very uninteresting; just a face value on one side and a coat of arms on the other side
Costa Rica - most of their modern coins from the 1960s to the present day are identical in design (similar to the later Yugoslavian coins); they are only different when it comes to their composition.
Romania - like everyone else has said on this thread, very uninspiring designs
France - I do like the older coins before 1959. The French coins I do not like are the more modern centime and franc coins, as I get many of them in coin lots, and are hard to swap, and pretty much all dates are easy to find!
Venezuela - simply boring designs that have been the same for the past 70 years.
Egypt: Some of the older coins from the 80s and earlier are identical to each other, which can be hard to decipher different coin types. I do like the modern coins from the 2000s to today. And also in those older years there are some nice distinct Egyptian designs on those coins.
IRYO on Yugoslavia. Seems like the ones I dislike are those standard issues from the 1970s-1990s. Non-circulating issues are interesting, and some the higher para denomination designs of the 1950s are nice, like the one you showed.
Some of the 1990s designs look more like arcade tokens than proper coinage, like the 1992 10 para piece:
![[#1183008] Moneda, Yugoslavia, Petar II, 2 dinaras, 1938, AU, aluminio-bronce, KM:2 - Foto 1 de 2](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tY0AAOSwYwpk3NpK/s-l1600.jpg)
