Hello, did anybody notice that the common Chilean 10 Pesos have a variety in typography of the date, and also the wreath is larger and smaller? Have a look please of below images. Might consider adding a note to the coin sheet?
There also seems to be differences in the bust of Gen. Higgens. SCWC states a difference in the 1999 coin concerning the '9's. If you have any other dates than the 1999, I would check those. May possibly be just the 1999 coin has more differences that just the '9's.
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So here is my 1997 one and the typography is the same as the 1999 one, maybe from 1999 onward there is a new variety? Anybody else has post 1999 10 Pesos, can check the typography?
Typography is not the same every year.
Here are pictures of my coins 1992-2011
So I agree with the possibility for the following variants : "P" with and without baseline
I would never notice something like this. To me, if I have to squint my eyes or tilt my head to go "well that DOES look a little different" then it's just not worth it.
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Quote: glorkarI would never notice something like this. To me, if I have to squint my eyes or tilt my head to go "well that DOES look a little different" then it's just not worth it.
Okay, pics aren't the best (no more natural light), but the difference is quite obvious.
Quote: tony.cSo I agree with the possibility for the following variants : "P" with and without baseline
What you call 'baseline' is actually called serif, typographically.
I too, would consider different typefaces a reason to distinguish varieties of a coin, especially a significant difference of a typeface with or without serifs.
One of them is from 2013 the other from 2014.
Numista lists the later one as minted at the "Koninklijke Nederlandse Munt (Royal Dutch Mint)". To me the mint marks on both look the same though.
Therefor my question, is there anything on the 2014 coin actually indicating it being minted in the Netherlands?
That's what I thought too but see yourself
To the left you see the 2014 coin, to the right one from 2013. I added them to the catalog for verification.
The 10 pesos 2014 isn't mentioned yet in the 2016 Krause, so I don't know where the info about the strike in the Netherlands comes from. Of course it's possible the 2014 is struck partially in the Netherlands and partially in Chili, but the ones struck in the Netherlands shouldn't have the Santiago mintmark.
Quote: "Palinka83"One of them is from 2013 the other from 2014.
Numista lists the later one as minted at the "Koninklijke Nederlandse Munt (Royal Dutch Mint)". To me the mint marks on both look the same though.
Therefor my question, is there anything on the 2014 coin actually indicating it being minted in the Netherlands?
The 10 Pesos 2014 was minted in the Netherlands, as its shown by the "Caduceus" mintmark in the coin. It was seen here for the first time during January or February of that year.
But ~10 months after that coin started to circulate, it was released another 10 Pesos 2014 coin made by the Chilean mint, with the So mintmark, and that's the coin you have. Of course, it seems Krause hasn't acknowledged that variety yet.
Quote: "Essor Prof"Of course it's possible the 2014 is struck partially in the Netherlands and partially in Chili, but the ones struck in the Netherlands shouldn't have the Santiago mintmark.
Thanks for the info Verbamint. So I was right when I suggested the possibility the coin was struck at two different Mints. I wasn't a Numista member at the time of its first appearance here in January/Februari 2014, and I don't have any 2014 coin myself yet to see there was another mintmark than the So Santiago mintmark.
I just made a change request to add the new year line 2014 So (with thanks to you and Palinka83).
Here is one from the 2010 coin, please remember that it's only if you find two different design inside ONE single year that it's called a variant, between years they are called type variants, which might or might not result in new km sub numbers.
Thank you for your response, Sjoelund, and for the example you provided based on a 2010 coin. However, the coin shown by me was struck in 2011. I am not insisting on the catalogization of this specimen, nor am I raising the issue of assigning any KM sub-numbers. You are correct in noting that such differences may fall under the category of type variants. Nevertheless, in this case the discussion concerns not terminology itself, but the underlying causes of the observed differences.
From a numismatic standpoint, several explanations may reasonably be considered:
Circulation wear. However, the character of the lettering changes and the overall relief of the coin do not fully correspond to typical wear resulting from circulation.
Polishing or modification of the working die, which is theoretically possible, but at present cannot be established with certainty.
Striking from a worn die, which generally results in a softening of the relief, thickening of design elements, and changes in the shape of the internal letter openings.
The use of different dies, which appears entirely plausible given a reported mintage of approximately 290,000,000 pieces.
In this context, I would note that the use of the term “variant” represents a rather simplified and limited approach to the classification of this coin. As demonstrated above, at least four distinct technological or die-related scenarios may account for the observed differences, and each of them is equally plausible. Reducing the discussion to a single generalized “variant” does not adequately reflect the full range of factors influencing the final appearance of the coin.
Furthermore, as an illustrative example, it is appropriate to refer specifically to the 2002 issue, the photograph of which was kindly provided on the forum by Alexander Prokofiev, where comparable die-related characteristics can be observed.
In conclusion, I would like to emphasize that this coin does not claim any particular numismatic value. Its relevance is strictly collectible and research-oriented, and it is of interest primarily to collectors of Chilean coinage and to those studying minting technology and die usage.